that is also a great idea! As commander you can get the turret rotated to specified sector.
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Seriously guys: tanks are a mess
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that is also a great idea! As commander you can get the turret rotated to specified sector.
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The AP explosive filler and after penetration effects are broken (for both sides).
It should not be as we are talking about 75/76 mm HE here, not 150 mm HE.
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It seems correct to say that because this is the beta then probably its not best to jump to quite so many conclusions... so many people are posting threads stating opinions like they are fact....
However I agree with a lot of the points made here, concerning the use of flanking with the russian tanks... as far as I can tell there will be a load of training missions in the single player to teach you things like how to be a squad leader and so on....So I wouldnt be surprised to see a training mission on how to best handle the different styles needed to do well with the tanks.
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We obviously don't know yet, but I imagine this might be addressed in the single player campaign or at minimum mentioned in the user's manual (the first RO did, if I recall). But otherwise, as someone else pointed out, experience will quickly teach the intelligent player to use speed to advantage against strength. I imagine a campaign scenario where you are told to flank the enemy with the T-34s. As it is, in Beta now we only have multiplayer, and I personally prefer a multiplayer that leaves players to their own devices and does not give too much redundant advice. I supposed it could be incorporated into random "tips" for the loadscreen.
If it isn't ultimately mentioned in either, I agree I think it should be. Or at least, when they released stats sheets for the tanks in RO:Ost, they had info on speed and armor strength, etc, from which it could be reasoned which tanks had to be the flankers to succeed.
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They had to make a compromise because you also have to drive the tank if no other players are in the tank with you. You can't use WASD for driving and shooting at the same time.
I also agree that it was more "real" to use WASD for shooting but that's the price you pay for "being" a tank
Yes, round bouncing was fun and real. Maybe they will give it back to us.
Anyway that map has bigger issues now.
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First at all remember this is STILL a beta. It is made to find out things like you mentioned.
I cant think of a better way to learn what to do in the game and what not by dying or lets call it not doing so well. Its like you would complain that you have a hard time killing somebody with a smg at 500 meters range. Its called learning curve.
Well I cant say I have the exact same experience when im using the russian tank. When I hit a german tank from the side it takes something between 1-3 to blow it up. But i can confirm that im suprised and shocked how easy the tank commander dies in the russian tank.
Well on all the maps with tanks I played so far I was never able to shoot out all my AP shells because. The best I did in one tanker life was killing 3 german tanks and I consider that pretty much. Also on the current maps the most time I spend in a tank is supporting infantry with my tank. On the other hand I dont really see a reason why the ammount of AP shells is so low and the HE ammount much much much higher.
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You have got to be kidding? Sure RO2 needs some tweaks and fixes here and there but it's nowhere near the Benny Hill-themed vanilla RO1 tanking with extremely exaggerated angling advantages, slow fire-ball projectiles and really simplified damage model.
Unless you're talking about tanking in DH which is pretty damn solid, or maybe the Armored Beast mod which at least makes the tank combat playable, but vanilla RO1? No, just no. I actually tried it again a month ago or so but DH, the AB mod and tank sims like Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942 had spoiled me and it was just simply unplayable.
All in all I'm impressed with the fidelity and the extremely HEAVY feel of the tanks in RO2. It certainly feels like you're driving around in a big, heavy, noisy tank and not the RC-cars of RO1. I simply love all the little rattling and "clonk" noises happening. Mad props to the sound guys of this game.
One of my biggest complaints with RO2 tanks that I haven't seen mentioned yet (granted I haven't read every single post so excuse me if it has) are the penetration and ricochet sounds which need some variation. The volume of them also needs to be lowered greatly when it's other tanks taking the damage. Sometimes it's hard to know if it's you being shot at or your buddy 50 meters away. A hit to your own tank should be VERY noticeable.
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I prefer the T34 above the panzer iv.
I have no problems with killing the panzer with 1 shot.
But i see the most of the players making errors with tankbattle.
A whole of bunch standing high on a hill.
Negative points,
- flying tanks in the hills, i see it almost whole the time.
- no communication with your crew.
players doesn`t listen.
- when the loader is dead, i can`t shoot anymore.
Further is my opinion that the tank battle is awesome now.
Much better than in RO 1
I have no problems with killing the panzer with 1 shot.
But i see the most of the players making errors with tankbattle.
A whole of bunch standing high on a hill.
Negative points,
- flying tanks in the hills, i see it almost whole the time.
- no communication with your crew.
players doesn`t listen.
- when the loader is dead, i can`t shoot anymore.
Further is my opinion that the tank battle is awesome now.
Much better than in RO 1
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When in the commander seat, I'd like to be able to order different crew members to take over different positions when I have crew casualties. Last night, the driver got zapped when I was commander, and in order to move, I had to change positions back and forth to move and then shoot. I would have liked to have simply ordered the hull gunner to take over a driver.
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I haven't noticed any problems with tanks, when I tried tanks for the first time I was able to one shot Pz IV, and man that felt good. Also when I played as Pz IV I had hard time killing T-34, thanks to it's sloped armor.
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Well it should be the other way around..The PZ IVs were given that particular cannon that is on there in order TO penetrate the T-34s front armor.
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How do I stop the idiot AI from shooting the main gun when I'm in another position? I mean, I wouldn't mind too much if he didn't totally suck and getting the round on target. All he does is give my position away and depletes my ammunition.
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Select human players, pray no one enters your tank and do it all yourself?
This is one of those design differences between the two sides that leaves me scratching my head. Why do the the German AI fire the gun, but the Russians don't? Do Russian tank commanders get pissy when their drivers and loaders touch the gun? For people that aren't WWII tank buffs, that and lots of design and capability differences make no sense to us, even if they make perfect sense to the devs and those in the know.
I want to like tanking and with friends on skype I can see it being an ok experience. What I don't like right now is A) what seems like the kind of kind maps TWI is going for, based on Gumrak. It's really open, really plain, really boring and you spend a ton of time scanning for tanks with three different view modes. That's why I say I'd appreciate tanking with human players who are communicating. But they're not in the beta and that's just a hindrance to learning and appreciating tanking. Maybe other pure armor maps will be better, but Gumrak leaves nothing to the imagination.
B) The one-shot kill mechanics that some people seem to have mastered already. Literally spawning, getting to the top of the hill (to drive over it and get the hell away) and getting a round at 700 meters that's an instant kill.
And C) the lack of critical information at times. Twice, I had my turret ring disabled on the first shot. I couldn't figure out why my gun wouldn't move and then I was dead. Like people are saying with their loader being dead and not being able to shoot, there are lots of moving parts to the tanks and players need to know better and faster what's wrong. All the voice overs in the world can be missed and the tank diagram, while it's good, doesn't tell us everything without a manual or reference.
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You guys are lucky you can even use tanks, whenever I enter one it lags me horribly...and not fps wise, just plain internet lag...
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well, from what i can tell, I think the Issue isn't "why isn't it blowing up in one shot!?" It's more of a "where do I hit?!" As I can recall, a tank is only as knocked out as one person thinks it is. I suppose people who were all Rambo could sit in a tank that somehow wouldn't burn and take shot after shot if it didn't hit anything important. I have even heard stories of T-34's taking rounds directly through them and fighting on. But usually, as far as I know the decision of a tank being knocked out often came when it's crew bailed out when it was immobilized, or they just decided to get out of there.
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I get that pretty much every time on redoctoberfactory. Its so weird because I don't get lag like that at any other place in the game.
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It can't be specs, mine are capable of running the game maxed out (though I don't because it still doesn't run perfectly) and I get this. The tank will skip as it moves, warp back and forth like crazy, however you wanna phrase it. It has to be something with server lag since that doesn't happen for me at any other point in the game.
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