Tactics You wanna be a better player? I'll tell you how...

[nutterbutter]

By welding stupidly, like welding an escape route.

And people do that all the time. I view every door as an escape route. And since a welded door hurts me more than it helps me, then it makes no sense to weld them.

Hey, if you want to weld, feel free. I don't care. If the door is in my way then a few grenades solves the problem for me.

The tactics above are mine and how I play. Take from them what you can use and ignore what you think won't work for you.

Welding is excellent if you use it properly, some spots for welding do make the game way too easy, but others are intense sort of spots.

and the fact that welding can bunch up to 32 specimens all in one place, good for demo's and supports.

And so is continually backing up until someone can kill 12 specimens with a single bolt. But is it really a practical strategy? And what happens when some yahoo walks in front of others throwing that grenade at the mob? Dead player or players. Smoke everywhere. Zero visibility in a barricaded room and there is the little problem of that group of mobs that is relentlessly attacking and now very close.

Others, in this thread and other threads, have mentioned that welding is a good way to regroup and grab a quick break. I've always thought it was quicker and easier to just kill them.

 

[omarfw]

And so is continually backing up until someone can kill 12 specimens with a single bolt. But is it really a practical strategy? And what happens when some yahoo walks in front of others throwing that grenade at the mob? Dead player or players. Smoke everywhere. Zero visibility in a barricaded room and there is the little problem of that group of mobs that is relentlessly attacking and now very close.

Others, in this thread and other threads, have mentioned that welding is a good way to regroup and grab a quick break. I've always thought it was quicker and easier to just kill them.

killing the rest of the zeds isn't always an option. on most suicidal matches, the stream of specimens never stops coming. especially on servers with a higher default specimen count. welding is the only chance at a break to reload and heal at that point.

 

[KingJoker]

whats with hate on welding O_O I think of welding like this:

Welding causes specimens to keep attacking the door. Thats limits the ZEDs if you have like 15 ZEDs attacking a door they usaully clog up and cant exactly reach the door so you have only really 17 specimens coming straight at you. Limiting the spawns also if bloats are on the door, itll start to throw its bile on ZEDs Perhaps even fleshys/scrakes!

Welding limits the horde so the game becomes exceptionally easier also when doors go down you can easily just nuke it (Demos..... Firebugs.... etc.)

 

[Temstar]

Thats limits the ZEDs if you have like 15 ZEDs attacking a door they usaully clog up and cant exactly reach the door so you have only really 17 specimens coming straight at you

See the thing is if you are playing well, out of the 32 specimen on the map the team will only be shooting at about 10-15 specimen at a time, the rest will be making their way to the kill zone. A team should be able to handle a constant flow of 10-15 specimens, if not maybe it's time to try an easier difficulty

You weld that door, and when it breaks, you're facing a good 25 specimens, of which half would be coming through that opened door and right in your face. That's also AT LEAST TWO escape paths that are now blocked if you need to kite. It's much harder to deal with this sudden surge of specimen, hence why welding is bad.

 

[KingJoker]

See the thing is if you are plahing well, out of the 32 specimen on the map the team will only be shooting at about 10-15 specimen at a time, the rest will be making their way to the kill zone. A team should be able to handle a constant flow of 10-15 specimens, if not maybe it's time to try an easier difficulty

You weld that door, and when it breaks, you're facing a good 25 specimens, of which half would be coming through that opened door and right in your face. That's also AT LEAST TWO escape paths that are now blocked if you need to kite. It's much harder to deal with this sudden surge of specimen, hence why welding is bad.

That just shows you have:
A. Horrible Demo
B. Horrible Firebug
C. Not enough dumb people *Sprayers*

 

[Temstar]

Horrible Demo

Horrible Firebug

>Implying Demo doesn't make crowds worse with his smoke
>Implying Firebug have high burst DPS
>Implying Demo and Firebug are not horrible fullstop

 

[acolyte_to_jippity]

>implying mosst demos are intelligent and refrain from nading the scrakes.

 

[Melon_Reaper]

See the thing is if you are playing well, out of the 32 specimen on the map the team will only be shooting at about 10-15 specimen at a time, the rest will be making their way to the kill zone. A team should be able to handle a constant flow of 10-15 specimens, if not maybe it's time to try an easier difficulty

You weld that door, and when it breaks, you're facing a good 25 specimens, of which half would be coming through that opened door and right in your face. That's also AT LEAST TWO escape paths that are now blocked if you need to kite. It's much harder to deal with this sudden surge of specimen, hence why welding is bad.

See the thing is if you are playing well, out of the 6 players on the map there should be a support specialist welding, the rest will be killing the specimens. A support specialist should be able to handle welding a door, if not maybe it's time to try an easier difficulty.

You (and many of the others in this thread) argue that welding is a bad idea because it groups the specimens together and causes team wipes when the door breaks. That is assuming that the door breaks.

Now, there are some instances where the door will not break. If you have 6 lv 6 support specialists on a beginner clotbuster map, there is a slight chance that they can hold a welded door.
If they can hold that door without dying, then welding helped them out, although I do confess that it breeds tunnel vision and poor playing skills if it is heavily overused.

 

[nutterbutter]

>implying mosst demos are intelligent and refrain from nading the scrakes.

I agree with you that they are not. But even the ones who do pay attention, firing blind into a group of mobs means that they may not get them all, they don't know what mobs are in the group, and the entire team is completely blinded by smoke so they don't know what is still alive and enraged.

See the thing is if you are playing well, out of the 6 players on the map there should be a support specialist welding, the rest will be killing the specimens. A support specialist should be able to handle welding a door, if not maybe it's time to try an easier difficulty.

And what if the SS doesn't want to spend the entire game welding?

You (and many of the others in this thread) argue that welding is a bad idea because it groups the specimens together and causes team wipes when the door breaks. That is assuming that the door breaks.

The door has to go some time whether is breaks or not.

I argue that welding is a bad idea because it is a crutch, it creates poor players and habits, and it makes some poor schmuck spend the entire game welding.

If they can hold that door without dying, then welding helped them out, although I do confess that it breeds tunnel vision and poor playing skills if it is heavily overused.

If they can win a map by spamming pipe bombs, does that mean they are good players?

 

[dogbadger]

I thing i notice gets me in a mess sometimes is the trader section.
If money is scarce and trader time is short on the high levels then it can be hard to get organised for the next wave.

I can't give that much specific advice but learn your weapon costs for the perk level you are at, work out what you want to do before you arrive, don't get too wrapped up in worrying about others if you have to sort yourself out and if you think you may only scrape to buy a better weapon after selling yours don't risk it until you have been subsidised by a team mate.
Otherwise like i have many times you can start a new wave with no weapon/ammo, and the hump.

 

[pixel]

Medic Hints

I prefer to not purchase the MP7M medic gun. I think hitting teammates with the healing darts is iffy at best and prone to missing.

In other words hint for medic is not being one. Wow, just wow.
I'd like to see you face when your dentist tell you that he prefer to not purchase dental tools, because of the said reasons.

 

[CandleJack]

In other words hint for medic is not being one. Wow, just wow.
I'd like to see you face when your dentist tell you that he prefer to not purchase dental tools, because of the said reasons.

I have to agree with you. My preferred play style is medic, and if you're even halfway competent with medic then you should be able to hit your target. Same goes with sharpshooter, with Xbow at long distances.

Any measure of skill should take you far.

 

[KingJoker]

I have to agree with you. My preferred play style is medic, and if you're even halfway competent with medic then you should be able to hit your target. Same goes with sharpshooter, with Xbow at long distances.

Any measure of skill should take you far.

O_O I hate using the dart gun for the specific reasons players move around and run around in circles most the time in fear. I use my syringe and have been since june ;/

Medic syringe = FTW if you like to run headfirst into piles of Zeds

Medic gun = If ju is scerd of them munstahs. ?

 

[nutterbutter]

In other words hint for medic is not being one. Wow, just wow.

Is that what I typed? Let's check.

Medic Hints

Don't be one. Ever. Medic sucks. It is just too tough and only real men play a medic. REAL GAY MEN. So if you are gay, then be a medic. Otherwise don't play medic. It is the worst class. You will suffer erectile dysfunction (which really cuts into your new whole gay club scene), your dog will die, and you will not be able to view HDTV due to Federal laws. And you'll have to watch your parents doing it every Friday night.

So do yourself a favor and don't choose medic. Your country thanks you.

So you are absolutely correct. I exactly said "My hint for a medic is not being one."

Wow. Do you often read one thing and then completely twist it into something else?

My hint for medic was "I prefer to not purchase the MP7M medic gun. I think hitting teammates with the healing darts is iffy at best and prone to missing."

Absolutely nothing about not choosing being a medic.

I'd like to see you face when your dentist tell you that he prefer to not purchase dental tools, because of the said reasons.

I'd like to watch you when you are with your dentist and he is using his dental tools while you are constantly moving and dodging in the chair.

 

[Olivier]

....

Starting to think you are one of those doom2-only guy. Try to play suicidal and dont cry when you'll get your *** ****ed up by gorefasts.

 

[nutterbutter]

Starting to think you are one of those doom2-only guy. Try to play suicidal and dont cry when you'll get your *** ****ed up by gorefasts.

Did I hurt your feelings somehow and you felt a need to personally strike out?

 

[Olivier]

Did I hurt your feelings somehow and you felt a need to personally strike out?

LOL why would i care with a player like you anyway. Discussing with someone on a forum is far from getting me mad man. Maybe you are, because you are trying to turn this situation to your advantage. And since you didn't defend yourself against my accusation, that can only mean that you are a doom-only player.

Teacher who lost my 12 pages essay and gives me a 0 = i am mad
Talking on a forum = i am happy

 

[dogbadger]

i think a medic using the mp7 should obviously take a sensible position to make his life easier, by the same token go players should be aware where he is and try and to make his life easier too when they get hit.
Both have a part to play in minimising wasted shots, for the team as a whole and to avoid thier own frustration.

I make a point of knowing where the medic is, and when injured i either call and stay rooted if i can, or at very least move in a line that radiates from him, rather than tracking across.

 

[nutterbutter]

LOL why would i care with a player like you anyway.

You cared enough to reply. You cared enough to type a passive aggressive attack. If you didn't care, then you wouldn't have replied.

Discussing with someone on a forum is far from getting me mad man.

I never said you were mad. I said your feelings were hurt and that is more than obvious now.

And since you didn't defend yourself against my accusation, that can only mean that you are a doom-only player.

Yeah, you caught me. Because I completely ignored your ridiculous accusation that, of course, means it is completely true. As a matter of fact, you along with everyone else can simply ignore everything I have typed in this message and go with this advice.

1) Have everyone weld the door and keep it welded until most of the mobs are on the other side
2) Spam pipe bombs by the door
3) Wait til the door blows and everyone throw grenades
4) Everyone shoot in one direction until all mobs are dead
5) Go to trader and repeat

Teacher who lost my 12 pages essay and gives me a 0 = i am mad
Talking on a forum = i am happy

I figured you were a child. You support your arguments like one.

Look, I don't care if you take my advice or not. I don't care if you challenge my advice. You could have better suggestions. You could be right or you could be wrong.

But you really need to stop taking things personally.

 

[dogbadger]

nutbut is this a thread intended for ppl to add advice to, or critique those in the origional post?
i know you're distracted having a e-barney with someone, but i'm just wondering if should bother adding or not.