Squad System in RO2
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But is the squad leader necessarily a hero?
I mean certainly there is an inherent incentive to stick with your squad, but I was mainly asking if there was some additional hardcoded incentive similar to the hero effect you mentioned.
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I see nothing tactically wrong here, except for you trying to clear a building from the outside only. Thats not how you secure a building
The spawning system has specific conditions regarding enemy presence.
In situations like you describe you will have to infiltrate that building after you threw your nades in, and actually clear it and secure it properly by sweeping through it. Because as you do, the enemy players most likely will not be able to re-spawn in that building.
As long as the spawning conditions are very stringent to keep players from infiltrating spawn areas, capzones etc... I approve. It certainly reflects Soviet infiltration tactics used during the actual battle, relying on sewers, back passageways, rooftops, attics, and plain old cunning to establish fortified positions behind enemy lines. I'll certainly give spawn-on-leader a chance. In fact, in order to emphasize squad-based gameplay, which is something I love the sound of, I'm willing to tolerate a degree of weird spawn tactics.
I hope that the spawn condition takes either suppression or proximity of spawn areas into consideration along with enemy presence. The first two go without saying--a squad leader being shot at shouldn't be spawned upon under any circumstances, while spawns are just sacred.
I anticipate that this feature will come in handy to fight normal spawn camping however, allowing a squad leader to leave spawn, travel to a safe area, and bring teammates into play without danger.
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I am glad you have spawn options now, other than just the squad leader spawn. I always hated on the bigass tank or combined arms maps where you'd get spawned 100 miles from the objective you wanted to defend lol ... then you walk all the way there only to get MGed by a tank in the distance. This is part of the reason clown cars and universal carriers were never used for their intended purpose -- people wanted to get into the fight sooner and didnt' bother waiting for others.
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No - you can't change role on the fly. If your SL is dead, you can't spawn on him. He has to spawn in a "standard" spawn point.
Can only change squads/roles when dead, so you can't keep swapping all the time.
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With the limited roles per squad, say my machine gunner dies and drops his gun and I pick it up, can he still respawn on me with a MG? You say you can only change roles when you are dead, does that mean we cant pick up guns?
What exactly do you mean by role? Would I be safe to assume it be mostly the gun you carry?
What exactly do you mean by role? Would I be safe to assume it be mostly the gun you carry?
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::Sees SL and men run by, kills a few guys, sees SL drop to the ground::
"Hurry up and kill him before he gets away, I'll keep his head down"
::SL pops up and gets a headshot on me and team member, proceeds to reinforce the area::
SL:
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All this info is pretty sweet and whilst I do understand the reluctance to change to a "gamier" style of spawn I also agree that encouraging teamwork is worth a slight chip to realism. Also reassured that some control have been put on, I played a lot of BC2 and had hated watchin people blink into existence infront of me. I like the "cannot be under fire" rule. A lot. However as previously said it will result in the Squad leader being taken completely out of teh fight in comp play to purely act as a spawnpoint and not a soldier. That sucks a bit 8(
My question has been touched on by people before. Will there be a "exp" or "score" bonus to keeping good squad coherency and teamwork? Like rewards for assists or supressing targets that your squad is engaging? I guess what i'm lookin for is will a mediocre player who tows the line adn co-operates be getting more tangible reward then a good player who just runs off to shoot things whilst not providing meaningful input to his teams efforts?
My question has been touched on by people before. Will there be a "exp" or "score" bonus to keeping good squad coherency and teamwork? Like rewards for assists or supressing targets that your squad is engaging? I guess what i'm lookin for is will a mediocre player who tows the line adn co-operates be getting more tangible reward then a good player who just runs off to shoot things whilst not providing meaningful input to his teams efforts?
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Yes there are rewards for staying close to your squad(leader). There are many team oriented rewards in place.
Your role is what weapon choice loadout you will be able to spawn with - primary, secondary if applicable, grenades, explosives etc. You can pick up weapons that are dropped on the battlefield. You will loose any picked up weapons when you die though, and respawn with your class loadout of choice.
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Thanks for the info. Hopefully this applies to Firefight as well, even though that mode doesn't have squad leaders (or squads ... or does it?). Anyway, I remember seeing some recent MP footage (the one with no sound) where an ally spawns literally RIGHT in front of one of the players.
Obviously it's a beta version of the game, but hopefully Firefight spawns won't be quite that close
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Thanks for the info. Hopefully this applies to Firefight as well, even though that mode doesn't have squad leaders (or squads ... or does it?). Anyway, I remember seeing some recent MP footage (the one with no sound) where an ally spawns literally RIGHT in front of one of the players.
Obviously it's a beta version of the game, but hopefully Firefight spawns won't be quite that close
Yea, I remeber this one, he almost TK him, that looked really bad.
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Not almost TK I bet. As the enemy just got killed, the area was clear and made it look like "almost a tk" as he just spawned a fraction of a second after the enemy was dead. Now sure it could have been a TK if it was an MG mowing the enemy down
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Will be interesting to see how this works out, I trust the closed beta testers to point out flaws with this if there are any.
As a suggestion, why not make the "spawn zone" that must be clear of enemies/enemy fire larger the further you are from an already capped objective? That'd effectively make it harder to sneak to the front and spawn your force.
So if the SL is say 50 meters from the last capzone only 10 meters in diameter of "clearance" is needed for teammates to spawn, but if he's 500 meters from it a 100 meters clearance is needed. This would also promote defending teams to spread out in more of a battle line than just having everyone gathered at a strong point/choke point.
As a suggestion, why not make the "spawn zone" that must be clear of enemies/enemy fire larger the further you are from an already capped objective? That'd effectively make it harder to sneak to the front and spawn your force.
So if the SL is say 50 meters from the last capzone only 10 meters in diameter of "clearance" is needed for teammates to spawn, but if he's 500 meters from it a 100 meters clearance is needed. This would also promote defending teams to spread out in more of a battle line than just having everyone gathered at a strong point/choke point.
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Does this mean the suppression bar actually has valid use?
Or is 'safe' measured by other means?
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Seconded, I think the devs should make note of this in case they ever decide to tweak the spawn criteria. might be complicated to code however.
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