XD this thread has gone so off topic, it should be called "Let's Argue About Weapons In-Game In RO2 Because I Have an Opinion That Differs From Yours."
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RO2 MG42 needs a nerf
- Thread starter Torio
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I was expecting the PPS42 to be slightly more accurate than the papashaw, only due to the lower rate of fire (600 vs 900). In game, it's a POS in comparison. And what about that fire selector for the PPSh41? Nerfed again!
Don't worry, the P08 Luger will be authentic, like the MG42!
Don't worry, the P08 Luger will be authentic, like the MG42!
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PPSh41 lvl 50 Unlock select fire, unlike the MKb42 (STG44) which is default.
That's the problem with level ups, there needs to be something there. So the PPSh41 was nerfed from lvl 0 through 49 to provide an unlock.
Riddle me this, does the Thompson 1928A1 have a fire selector?
At least the MG42 and PPS42/43 never did.
That's the problem with level ups, there needs to be something there. So the PPSh41 was nerfed from lvl 0 through 49 to provide an unlock.
Riddle me this, does the Thompson 1928A1 have a fire selector?
At least the MG42 and PPS42/43 never did.
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I just never minded that because it was my understanding that only some PPSH's were made with fire selectors.
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To my knowledge, all PPSH41's had fire selects, that's the way it was tooled, it can't be simply omitted or removed from the assembly and still have a working gun.
Unfortunately the PPS43 was thought to be a "late model PPSH", hence the general confusion. How else was the PPS to cut down on parts/labor/mat'l? Umm... same way the MG42 did compared to the MG34.
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-MKB is WAAAAY better overall as a gun than any standard russian assault (it only fails when Russians get in close) since really close, yes, the PPSH is a monster
-yes, but why can't the allies get a dismounted DT-26?
-but thats an addon and there still is the panzer 4 (ever tried killin a panzer 4 at range as Russian?)
-why needlessly nerf the PPSH 41? it's historic with the drum mag because thats how it was issued. saying that's okay would be like making the Garand an unlock for balance sake. also, it was standard select fire.
-yep, I agree. but historically the russians were better in SMG's
-you're saying a 70 pound flamer who spawns on squad leader and runs as fast with another gun added is accurate? (plus it can shoot indoors with no operator damage?
-why not add a flamer class with a carbine in defense?
-defensive flamer still kinda kills that. plus american spray and pray is a big problem
-It's a main weapon, I just feel a harder hitting bolt gun would be nice. the type 38 should drop a person with a shot still, but it doesn't always. It was historically under-powered, but not THAT under-powered. It's like a super .223 round
-Type 14 is nice, but it still needs 2 or 3 to kill. the .45 is a *blap* you're dead *blap* you're dead kinda gun
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that only the later models were made with fire selectors (or maybe the earlier ones?)
But I can't find it now.
Also
The Type 38 should kill any time the Type 99 would have. If you hit vitals it is always a ohk. If you don't hit vitals it only does 5 damage less.
And I looooove the Type 14. I have much more success with it than the 1911. Also the 1911 should only ohk if it hits heart/head/nuts/neck (as should the Type 14). Otherwise it should take at least two shots.
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Early PPSh41 were made with fire selectors. It was the late versions which did not have it.
Also you are correct about the damage stats. 105 damage is always a one-shot kill, unless you hit a limb - at which point either 105 or 115 damage won't make any difference. Same story with M1911 - 65 damage is still a two-hit kill.
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PPSh-41 is a select-fire weapon, with fire selector switch located inside the trigger guard, ahead of trigger. Always.
Anywhere you may read "There was no selector lever on some of the late models, when the gun was capable of only automatic fire", 100% sure is referring to the PPS42/43.
I have never seen a picture of a PPSH without the fire selector. Recently, some PPSH's have been converted to SBRs, and the fire selector removed. But they were never made without it.
Hmm... I wonder if I can get a SBR MG-42? Probably not in California
Anywhere you may read "There was no selector lever on some of the late models, when the gun was capable of only automatic fire", 100% sure is referring to the PPS42/43.
I have never seen a picture of a PPSH without the fire selector. Recently, some PPSH's have been converted to SBRs, and the fire selector removed. But they were never made without it.
Hmm... I wonder if I can get a SBR MG-42? Probably not in California
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Someone was not referring to that here.
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=50598&highlight=PPSH-41
They stated 'the type 3 PPSh 41 produced in late 1944 omitted the fire selector'.
This is what I am referring to.
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=50598&highlight=PPSH-41
They stated 'the type 3 PPSh 41 produced in late 1944 omitted the fire selector'.
This is what I am referring to.
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Funny, I haven't been able to find any source material to verify that post.
Well then, pictures of said "type 3" will probably be PPS43's with an added fixed wooden stock, so could only take stick mags. All Papashaws have funiture under the reciever, and the ubiquitious fire selector.
Plus, as noted in that post (if indeed correct), type 3's were produced in limited numbers late 1944, (during the invasion of Germany). I haven't seen a single map for that time period.
Seems odd that TWI would choose a rare varient as the common Soviet SMG. Of course, they did make the MKb42 their poster child, complete with scope and bayonet. Again, the whole leveling issue.
In reality, any MG42's in Stalingrad would have had the slab style charging handle. But most ppl identify it with the verticle lever, so there it is. It's in game as is. Same with the PPSh.
Well then, pictures of said "type 3" will probably be PPS43's with an added fixed wooden stock, so could only take stick mags. All Papashaws have funiture under the reciever, and the ubiquitious fire selector.
Plus, as noted in that post (if indeed correct), type 3's were produced in limited numbers late 1944, (during the invasion of Germany). I haven't seen a single map for that time period.
Seems odd that TWI would choose a rare varient as the common Soviet SMG. Of course, they did make the MKb42 their poster child, complete with scope and bayonet. Again, the whole leveling issue.
In reality, any MG42's in Stalingrad would have had the slab style charging handle. But most ppl identify it with the verticle lever, so there it is. It's in game as is. Same with the PPSh.
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Yes I cannot find any further information about it either, maybe the original poster can provide some references should he come across this post.
It's possible if the weapon was real it'd be about as rare as the MkB42, and even less likely to be in Stalingrad seeing as it was only produced in '44
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