Medieval II: Total War

[Zoring]

There also adding Cannon Elephants MP38, that worries me.

ps. Tau ****, Guard ftw (wow can't even say $uck, where the **** did our swearing go)

 

[Musketeer]

JUst got ****ed into two more hours of the Viking Expansion. Damn, that is an addictive game.

Those no good back stabbing Saxons have broken treaties twice with me. I had the whole western coast of England south of the Scots, had already secured my backyard (Ireland) and was putting a major hurting on any Viking ship in my waters (even with the weaker version of the long boat if you have 7 of them to their 1 you will win!). Next thing I know Saxons are spilling across three borders.

It was a hollow victory for them. I drew back to just below Scotland, where only two pieces of land need defending, and every terrirtory I left I burned to the ground. The only thing he could claim was burnt ground. If I am goint to loose the province I might as well take everything not stuck in place and burn what is left.

Now, with the remaining factions (Picts and Scots) knocked off, and thge Vikings afraid to even enter our waters (one ship has a command of 5!) before one round completes the Saxons break an 8 year old treaty. I am married to one of his daughters for criminy sake! He was even bold enough to launch some ships which slowed down my troop redeployment. It will not matter though. THe two defensible provinces have over 1,500 troops each and are commanded with generals with ranks of 5 and 6. Tommorrow we puch him back and into the sea.

 

[King Ragnar]

I don't see what everyone is so worried about. Rome:TW ****ed because they took out everything that made Medieval:TW so good. Now they are adding all the good parts in for M:TW2... Religion, better diplomacy, and better AI. Not to mention the ability to kick ass with 3d characters rather than the 2d sprites from the two original games.

They dont have civil wars!!!!
In MTW it made the game like 100% harder when your country fell into civil war wich made the game alot harder and wanted you to suceed.
I hope you are right tho, i just pray to god that battle are not the same as RTW or BI.

 

[Musketeer]

I can see how a region could have a civil war but it always amazed me when something like 500 armed troops appear out of nowhere and start rebelling in a province!

 

[Maschine Pistole-38]

I can see how a region could have a civil war but it always amazed me when something like 500 armed troops appear out of nowhere and start rebelling in a province!

Yeah that was a big problem, you'd get a full stack of rebels that have units that I don't even have access to yet. Or when a faction would reappear *coughFrancecough* and have a giant army that would immediatley take over some of my provinces. I hope that will be fixed with MTW2 also.

 

[El Cid]

Yeah that's why I think the combination of the new world map and the former MTW battles will mix into a pure pwnr game. So I heard it's coming out November? I fear I will lose all connections to the real world when it is out.

 

[Musketeer]

Yeah that was a big problem, you'd get a full stack of rebels that have units that I don't even have access to yet. Or when a faction would reappear *coughFrancecough* and have a giant army that would immediatley take over some of my provinces. I hope that will be fixed with MTW2 also.

"Hey, where did you and your 199 buddies get those Halbreds?"

"Oh this? I found it just laying around."


As far as extinct people reappearing, it has happenned in modern times as well. We had an entire extinct Indian tribe in Connecticut reapear out of no where 10+ years ago. They, and their rich Arab backers, then immediately built a big casino on their sacred land.

 

[Heinz]

"Hey, where did you and your 199 buddies get those Halbreds?"

"Oh this? I found it just laying around."


As far as extinct people reappearing, it has happenned in modern times as well. We had an entire extinct Indian tribe in Connecticut reapear out of no where 10+ years ago. They, and their rich Arab backers, then immediately built a big casino on their sacred land.

Musketeer, not PC but 100% correct my friend! when we gonna hook up for that beer? if my rig can run it, I'll get some MTW2 for some MP.

 

[Wiglaf]

I plan on taking over the entire world with my English empire. No one can withstand Billmen and Longbows... NO ONE!

I'm so gonna raid yuor coasts.

 

[[5.SS]Strother]

I always found it fun In R:TW to make nothing but archers, they could usually beat an entire army if the archers were off good enough quality. I also found the perfect defense when the enemy doesn't have any catapults. Just make pikemen and make a 3/4 square with them so when they batter down the door they run into hundreds of pikes, this works 95% of the time, depends on if the enemy has any heavily armoured combat troops that can slowly make their way through the pikes, and sometimes the pikemen go retarded and break the square.

 

[2ltben]

I always found it fun In R:TW to make nothing but archers, they could usually beat an entire army if the archers were off good enough quality.

Agincourt.

 

[Coey]

Agincourt was won by the archers fighting as infantry, not the longbow (to some extent).

 

[Lionel-RIchie]

Are you sure? I thought the English won because of the abilities of the Longbow mostly...

That's what I learned in my Medieval Studies course and that's what it said on wikipedia

Also most of the art narrating the Battle of Agincourt prominently show the English archers using the longbows.

I can't think of how using ~5,000 archers as infantry would help against 11,200 cavalry, 18,000 infantry and 6,800 crossbowmen.

Edit: More links to art with longbows in the battle:

http://www.aginc.net/battle/agincourt.jpg

Eh, only one, can't find the one my Professor used...

 

[King Ragnar]

I always thought it was due to the longbow in fact im sure it was due to the longbow that the english won..

 

[Maschine Pistole-38]

It was the mud and how densely packed the French were. The Longbows killed the horses and would throw the knights into the mud, which would make them stuck. And because you can't really see a man right below you on a horse, you would trample the sorry guy under your own horse.

The Longbowmen themselves also took many more lives than their bows. The heavy armor made the knights sluggish, while the lighter armor of the Longbowmen made them much quicker in the mud. It pretty much degraded into a few men would jump on a knight and cut his throat as he is stuck in the mud.

So it was the bowmen acting as infantry that helped win the battle, but they will also have to thank the weather and topography of the land.

 

[[5.SS]Strother]

They still had to shoot the horses out from underneath the knights, and I'm sure the arrows hurt the morale of the French.

 

[Lionel-RIchie]

Not to mention that if the longbow didn't play a pivotal role in the battle then history probably would not say that it did. Instead it would chalk it up to the amazing battle prowess of the archers plus the weather issues.

 

[Zoring]

Battles are never recorded properly, the longbows one the battle by unhorsing the french knights, though not by killing the knights themselves (not in significant quantitiy) the cheap iron used in the arrows wouldnt have penetrated the french steel in most cases. Just think about how contentious some battles in recent times have been with misinformation and conflicting stories.

Take away modern day reporters (even ww2 ones) rely on a few nobles who could write standing a few kilometers away from the battle and throw in 800 years of myth and legend and it's not going to be a 100% accurate tale of what actually happened at Agincourt.

Also apparently a lot of the english longbowmen weren't wearing pants, due to mass dysentry, and dysentry + standing in a battle line for a few hours would have equalled one godawful mess, something which most documentries fail to mention.

 

[Coey]

Basically it was a few factors that won Agincourt for the English,

1.The battlefield narrowed towards the English line, making it extremely difficult to keep the proper charge of knee-to-knee, and also somewhat diffused the French advantage in numbers.

2.It had been raining heavily the night before, and this made the ground extremely muddy. Horses would of had great difficulty in galloping through the mud (not as bad as the Germans in Russia, but pretty close). Once the Knights were unhorsed by the Archers, they'd have great difficulty getting up anyway, and with sticky mud clingling to them it would be even more difficult.

3.The French Knights still thought that one good charge would bring them the day. They knew how deadly the Longbow was against them, but they charged anyway. Also, the Knights were not a coherant disciplined fighting force like the English were. They ignored their leader, Charles d'Albert, and this was their undoing. They were easily stung into battle by a single flight of arrows.

4.The French knights and men-at-arms were tightly packed into "battles" 40 men deep. This limited their manouverability drasticly. Also, if just one horse was killed it could easily start a chain reaction, tripping all of the other horses and completly destroying any cohesion the unit once had.

5.The Longbow and the Longbowman were pivotal in the battle. The Longbow seriously demoralised the French and the Archers, able to quickly move in and swarm the stranded French knights, could easily kill thousands of their heavily armed opponents. Also, the use of wooden stakes in front of the Archers helped immensly against cavalry.

6.Henry V, although his speech before the battle probably wasn't quite as dramatic as Shakespeare's, was reported to be at the frontline of nearly all the fighting. This would of given the English a huge morale boost, whereas the French king, Charles VI was nowhere to be seen.

7.The English had their own reserve of fresh Knights which they sent around the back and the flank of the French army. This is what broke the already confused French.

 

[[5.SS]Strother]

Maybe in a future TW game we can choose to be a certain soldier in a FPS style role. Perhaps you could allow the ai to command each army and you could pick between different soldiers. I think it would be awesome to be an Archer and rain down arrows. I don't know, I've just always had a fantasy about actually fighting against a few thousand other people at once.