Killing Floor Games 2 [Sign-up has started]

[Jedi Mart]

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Introduction

Ladies and Gentlemen!

My name is Mart, Founder of the event "Killing Floor Games". With this post I would like to welcome everybody to the second tournament and event called Killing Floor Games, and open the sign-ups for the games.
Since the first tournament, we have grown a lot and have made many changes since then. We will go into more details about these changes further in this post.
Keep in mind this post is only to promote the sign-ups!

What are the Killing Floor Games exactly?
The Killing Floor Games is a returning event for the game Killing Floor, it consists of two different tournaments for now, beginner’s and veteran’s. We did this so everybody can enter the tournament and also keep the veterans and more advanced players challenged. The event is also sponsored by Tripwire Interactive and Pingperfect, making it a more reliable event and tournament. Also, all matches will be streamed live on http://www.twitch.tv/killingfloorgames If you have a Twitch account you can follow us there.

You can read everything about the event on (please do so before you sign up):http://www.killingfloorgames.com

What has changed since the last tournament?
See video of the major changes we have made in the next tournament.

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Something important we have to keep in mind for the tournament?
- Make sure you and your team members read all the rules carefully
- When you sign up, make sure you have 6 team members (and we advise also 2 subs when things don’t go as planned, but this is up to you)
- Once you sign up, the team leader of your team will receive an email with further instructions (To all leaders, keep 2 eyes open on your email inbox!)
- All times are in CET (Central European Time)
- As of now we will keep the whole event at a limit of 20 teams (10 for beginner’s, 10 for the veteran’s)

Searching for a team?
We have a topic in the Killing Floor Games group on the Steam page where people come together, join the group and post here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/KillingFloorGames/discussions/2/34096318921279903/

Overview tournament bookings:
We have added here a overview so you can see which time slots are still available:

Beginner's Tournament

Sign-up closed

Veteran's Tournament
Saturday 27 September
4 PM CET - BOOKED
5 PM CET - BOOKED
7 PM CET - BOOKED
8 PM CET - BOOKED
9 PM CET - BOOKED

Sunday 28 September
4 PM CET - BOOKED
5 PM CET - BOOKED
7 PM CET - BOOKED
8 PM CET - BOOKED
9 PM CET - BOOKED

Questions?
If you have any questions just post on here or on the steam group.
If you would like to be added to our Steam group, just join the group! Even if you are just a fan, watch the streams, like to be informed etc...
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/KillingFloorGames/

 

[FluX]

So we have been thinking and we want to allow more players to participate and we thought where shall we target? First answer is big clans/groups. This tournament specifies that only one team can be made for both tournaments and well, we're changing that. Let me explain.

If my team (FluXiServer) was to join the Veterans tournament and we have 6+ others wanting to play, I can then make a second team under the same name (FluXiServer). What we do is this:

Team FluXiServer:
1.) Team Leader
2.) Blarg
3.) Blarg 2
4.) Blarg 3
5.) Blarg 4
6.) Blarg 5
7.) YAY
8.) YAY 2
9.) YAY 3
10.) YAY 4
11.) YAY 5
12.) YAY 6

So to change this to work, we will allow the team leader and the blargs to be in team 1, (who sign up for the beginner tournament) and team 2 will have the YAY players. This then will look like this:

Team FluXiServer #1:
1.) Team Leader
2.) Blarg
3.) Blarg 2
4.) Blarg 3
5.) Blarg 4
6.) Blarg 5

Team FluXiServer #2:
7.) YAY
8.) YAY 2
9.) YAY 3
10.) YAY 4
11.) YAY 5
12.) YAY 6

Each team may only participate in one tournament, choose between beginner or veteran tournament.

If you have more than 6 players in a team, the others may participate in the other tournament - as long the players on each team are different for each tournament.
Keep in mind that you have to make two accounts since the system only allows one sign up for each account.

 

[Jedi Mart]

Overview updated, 2 slots taking now for veterans tournament.

 

[FluX]

Beginners tournament is going live anytime now!

http://www.twitch.tv/killingfloorgames

 

[Jedi Mart]

Hello everybody!
Beginner's Tournament day 2!
Live in 10 minutes @ [url]www.twitch.tv/killingfloorgames[/URL]

 

[Arblarg]

So to change this to work, we will allow the team leader and the blargs to be in team 1, (who sign up for the beginner tournament) and team 2 will have the YAY players. This then will look like this:
-stuff-

I know this is hella late but - I don't have a fan club. I think even if I did have a fan club merry band of misfit blargs, we wouldn't be caught dead being involved in this tournament. Sorry, I know how high the demand is for blargs, but your request simply cannot and wont be met.

 

[Utopia-Phoenix]

Well well well, I am very eager to call all pros in my clan and join it!

We are in China and that's GMT +8. CET should be GMT +1. That's 7 hours delayed in China.

September 27th 1600 hours, that seems to be, in Beijing timezone, 2300 hours in sep 27th. Doesn't sound very good but that'll be a great night action.

I'll check for requirements later on.

 

[FluX]

I know this is hella late but - I don't have a fan club. I think even if I did have a fan club merry band of misfit blargs, we wouldn't be caught dead being involved in this tournament. Sorry, I know how high the demand is for blargs, but your request simply cannot and wont be met.

It's ok, I know you're so far up with PoosH that everywhere you comment seems to be an attack against us. There is no need to comment at all if what you are saying is nothing to do with the reasoning of the thread. Thanks.

Are staff members participating in the tournament again?

There was and is only me who has a team. I get no benefit from it as the only thing I do is train on the day before the game is to occur and anyway, I have to commentate on the games so I can't do anything.

If you are worried against anything with mutators etc, I refuse and swore to Jedi Mart that I will not use them at all. I have a training server that is never used by my team and I generally have to find other members to jump in for others in the last minute.

Well well well, I am very eager to call all pros in my clan and join it!

We are in China and that's GMT +8. CET should be GMT +1. That's 7 hours delayed in China.

September 27th 1600 hours, that seems to be, in Beijing timezone, 2300 hours in sep 27th. Doesn't sound very good but that'll be a great night action.

I'll check for requirements later on.

Not sure if we'll have a server suitable (ping wise) for you and your team. Do checkout the servers we have and test it out before entering. We don't want it to be unfair on something that wasn't tested and as silly as ping connections. Nice to see some interest spreading though

 

[Skell]

It's ok, I know you're so far up with PoosH that everywhere you comment seems to be an attack against us. There is no need to comment at all if what you are saying is nothing to do with the reasoning of the thread. Thanks.

Odd you find a joke as an "attack". I believe Arblarg is many things, but he's not "so far up with PooSH", so please don't play the victim. I'm absolutely sure Arblarg would have written the same thing had PooSH used the same example for his tournament thing.

There was and is only me who has a team. I get no benefit from it as the only thing I do is train on the day before the game is to occur and anyway, I have to commentate on the games so I can't do anything.

If you are worried against anything with mutators etc, I refuse and swore to Jedi Mart that I will not use them at all. I have a training server that is never used by my team and I generally have to find other members to jump in for others in the last minute.

I find what PooSH wrote very unsettling as it is true. You should understand that, regardless of how much you swear to others, people who are staff and are significantly intertwined with the operation of a competition should not be competing in it. It's very simple.

On top of that, this response does nothing to alleviate the implications either. The mutator should be posted along with its source so that players can feel confident that there's no cheating. Also, players having hard copies installed would spring up mismatches if there does end up being tampering.

I would also like to point out that, the background(s?) I was supposedly going to receive have not been given as Jedi Mart has blocked me! I am owed these 3 cent backgrounds in posthaste!

 

[FluX]

Odd you find a joke as an "attack". I believe Arblarg is many things, but he's not "so far up with PooSH", so please don't play the victim. I'm absolutely sure Arblarg would have written the same thing had PooSH used the same example for his tournament thing.


I find what PooSH wrote very unsettling as it is true. You should understand that, regardless of how much you swear to others, people who are staff and are significantly intertwined with the operation of a competition should not be competing in it. It's very simple.

On top of that, this response does nothing to alleviate the implications either. The mutator should be posted along with its source so that players can feel confident that there's no cheating. Also, players having hard copies installed would spring up mismatches if there does end up being tampering.

I would also like to point out that, the background(s?) I was supposedly going to receive have not been given as Jedi Mart has blocked me! I am owed these 3 cent backgrounds in posthaste!

1.) Arblarg has been doing this sort of thing on youtube, steam, here and the steam discussions.
2.) PoosH makes a thought but I am not like most people. I can guarentee that. Anyway, why would something official be flawed by something like this so we can get a bad name for ourselves? I'm behind Mart all the way and would never backstab anyone unless needed.
3.) We wont post the mutator until we are happy. We agreed as a pair and to the maker that we will do it this way. We are still updating as even spoke about an addition earlier.
4.) You was told by both me and Mart to join the group channel and he can give it to you there. You didn't. I can get him to assist you on it but we still need you to do your part.

I wont be posting any more so don't expect to ask questions and get something back. Have a nice day.

 

[Skell]

2.) PoosH makes a thought but I am not like most people. I can guarentee that. Anyway, why would something official be flawed by something like this so we can get a bad name for ourselves? I'm behind Mart all the way and would never backstab anyone unless needed.

I already pointed it that it doesn't matter who you are or if you're "not like most people" (lol?), people who host tournaments shouldn't compete in them. And that "unless needed" is a strange thing to add there and just makes that entire point look odd.

3.) We wont post the mutator until we are happy. We agreed as a pair and to the maker that we will do it this way. We are still updating as even spoke about an addition earlier.

But you're hosting a tournament with it? Now I'm even more confused - but I guess I shouldn't expect an explanation from a tournament that's trying to make itself look official, right...

I wont be posting any more so don't expect to ask questions and get something back. Have a nice day.

I'll be waiting in group chat eagerly!

 

[Ezni]

You are going everywhere live stream/video commends/forum posts etc attacking and discrediting them while promoting your tournament. I haven't seen them going in your steam group and say "this tournament sucks come at ours"

 

[Jedi Mart]

I would also like to point out that, the background(s?) I was supposedly going to receive have not been given as Jedi Mart has blocked me! I am owed these 3 cent backgrounds in posthaste!

Congratulations on winning the prize question, we gave the winners a certain time to pick up the prizes, we couldnt give them always during the livestream as we are of course busy with the tournament itself.
As posted on the KFG Group discussion boards you can pick the prize up coming weekend at the finals of the Beginner's tournament in the Steam group channel of the KFG Group, if this does not work out we will find a other time to do so.

Staff members dont need to have anybody in their friendlist on Steam, the KFG system is set up in such a way that everybody signed up for a tournament has got the right info and details to enter the tournament before the tournament starts and dont need to contact us, we are in the groupchat during the tournament for additional questions however.
For all other people who want to get involved or want to know more can do this via Steam discussion board and our contact form on the website.

On top of that, this response does nothing to alleviate the implications either. The mutator should be posted along with its source so that players can feel confident that there's no cheating. Also, players having hard copies installed would spring up mismatches if there does end up being tampering.

Additional to the mutator, the people can play before the tournament starts on the KFG servers and try the mutator out themself and see how it exactly works, giving out the mutator also removes the unique factor of the tournament, not to mention the mutator is far by finished.
If the mutator is public what effect does this have if only specialised programmers can read this? The knowledge would still not be passed to people who do not understand programming which is 95% of the people in the tournament, if those were interested at first place.
During the tournament we live-stream all matches so any cheat is visible in the practice and can be seen publicly, if that cheat really has effect that will be showed in time and revealed.
Final, why would somebody in the staff be forbidden to play if that person follows the rules and guidelines, as any team he needs also to follow the rules in the tournament and of course can be live seen again on the streams.

Finally, this is hosted for all KF Community to have fun, enjoy and get us all together, lets keep that vision.

 

[TheMutant]

[...]
Btw, ScrnBalance v7.50 has a special console command to check this out:

TourneyCheck

It outputs all mutators and game rules in use. Hard copying tournament package + using TourneyCheck gives 99% cheat-prevention. But I think Marco is the only person in KF community who is skilled enough to abuse last percent. While Marco isn't staff member, there is nothing to worry about

That's not cool, to praise your tournament in here.
Furthermore, it seems you have no idea about cheating as otherwise you would see that your "system" only provides 10% (maybe even less) cheat protection.
To get above 90% you need sth. similar like AntiTCC but even that can be bypassed.
Sorry if this sounds rude.

[...]
Additional to the mutator, the people can play before the tournament starts on the KFG servers and try the mutator out themself and see how it exactly works, giving out the mutator also removes the unique factor of the tournament, not to mention the mutator is far by finished.
If the mutator is public what effect does this have if only specialised programmers can read this? The knowledge would still not be passed to people who do not understand programming which is 95% of the people in the tournament, if those were interested at first place.
[...]

I have to agree to the common sense here. A mutator used in the official tournament should be visible to public, maybe even like an open-source project everyone can contribute to.
It is not about that everyone can read it, but about trustwhorthiness. Not every player has to be able to understand the code, but some can and would give an alert if there was sth. suspicious inside.

 

[FluX]

Just to end the mutator arguement, I will clarify what exactly is going on.

The mutator is not in final form and we are still developing it as the tournament goes. An example of this is that for the first day of the tournament, we had a bug that we couldn't view on players. This was fixed on the second day. We can't keep updating a central point as it will cause conflicts and for a safer and easier way of handling it right now, we're waiting on a final version. Once we have a final version, we will release the code and files for public use so they can practice with it and show we have no "cheating" involved or hard coded.

Both me and Jedi Mart have agreed to these terms.

 

[TheMutant]

Classic Unreal cheats doesn't work are are useless in KF. I'm talking about transparency of server settings not client-side hacks.
[...]

Then don't label it as "cheat-prevention".
Also, I was not talking about unreal cheats, but about cheat possibilities in general.
Furthermore, if an admin wants to cheat there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Heck, all one needs to cheat (natively) is one custom or modified object.

Just to end the mutator arguement, I will clarify what exactly is going on.

The mutator is not in final form and we are still developing it as the tournament goes. An example of this is that for the first day of the tournament, we had a bug that we couldn't view on players. This was fixed on the second day. We can't keep updating a central point as it will cause conflicts and for a safer and easier way of handling it right now, we're waiting on a final version. Once we have a final version, we will release the code and files for public use so they can practice with it and show we have no "cheating" involved or hard coded.

Both me and Jedi Mart have agreed to these terms.

That's great to hear, why hide something if you haven't anything to hide.

 

[Dr_Killjoy]

Just to end the mutator arguement, I will clarify what exactly is going on.

The mutator is not in final form and we are still developing it as the tournament goes. An example of this is that for the first day of the tournament, we had a bug that we couldn't view on players. This was fixed on the second day. We can't keep updating a central point as it will cause conflicts and for a safer and easier way of handling it right now, we're waiting on a final version. Once we have a final version, we will release the code and files for public use so they can practice with it and show we have no "cheating" involved or hard coded.

Both me and Jedi Mart have agreed to these terms.

You can easily substitute your source after the tournament so noone can found treats. No reason in stripping code at all. You are muddling something.