It would make far more sense for them to add the RPG-43 and then nerf the uber PTRD and satchels.
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Grenade Discussion (Merged About 3000 Times)
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Field Marshal Rommel
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"Nerf" how about make them realistic as of now the PTRD is penetrating 80 mm of armor at its best!!!!!!!! Realistically in could not even penetrate half of that (35mmof penetration).
Good suggestion Im for this if its implemented in a realistic way.
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I agree, they would be really cool add ins. and very nicely written by the way, most people when posting a topic usually say, I WANT RPG40! PLZ. But you actually thought this one out, posted pictures and stats. 34 cool points for you
A while back I did some research on the grenades, and they seem like they would be very effective, mind you it would take some skill to use them properly, but that's why (i believe) the AI is so terrable on practice mode Arad. You could get lots of practice with the tank traffic jams, heck that's how I got better at hiting the weak spots on tanks.
A while back I did some research on the grenades, and they seem like they would be very effective, mind you it would take some skill to use them properly, but that's why (i believe) the AI is so terrable on practice mode Arad. You could get lots of practice with the tank traffic jams, heck that's how I got better at hiting the weak spots on tanks.
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Isaak Johnson
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Very nice, I would love to see those two grenades added to the Soviet arsenal, and there is also a pair of German grenades that could be added along with these so the Germans dont feel left out.
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Call of Duty had the RGD-33 (which is a fragmentation grenade) not the RPG-40.
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The biggest problem with the rpg-40 is that it is a big old bomb and doesn't have an amazingly long fuse. Which would certainly add an extra dimension to using it.
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Germans have the Panzerfaust which is superior to the Russian AT grenades seeing as you don't have to manually toss it like the Russian AT Grenades. So giving the Germans AT grenades would just be redundant and uneccessary.
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Field Marshal Rommel
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Before the PF's were around and when times were difficult the Germans used antitank grenades such as the magnetic mine and the "bunched grenades" so it is not "uneccessary" but should not be as common as the Soviet counter parts especially later in the war.
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Isaak Johnson
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Um. . . all I did was mension that the Germans had an extra pair of grenades that could also be added. . . I didn't say anything about the Panzerfaust or its usefulness.
Unecessary? How so, grenades can be used in many ways that a Panzerfaust can't, such as throwing that grenade over the cover your hiding behind or bouncing it off a wall while your still hidden.
I'm not saying your wrong about the Panzerfaust, but grenades, even AT ones, will be very useful in their own special way.
The two grenades that I'm talking about are the Eiergranate egg greande and the Geballte Ladung anti-tank grenade. The egg grenade was a fragmentation grenade like the Russian F1, while the RGD 33/40 were concussion greandes like the german stick grenade. If those grenades were added then the player (if the class allowed it) could select either a concussion or fragmantation grenade depending on how they play or what they are trying to acomplish.
And then the AT grenades from both sides would have their place, but I do believe that there was either a more common or more useful German AT grenade then the Geballte Ladung, its just the only one I could get some decent info about.
Some links. . . cause they make me happy. . . happy time!
Soviet Grenades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGD-33_Grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RG-41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-43
German Grenades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_24_grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_39_grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_43_grenade
(I cant seem to find the Wikipedia article about the Geballte Ladung, it was much like the Model 43 but with seven charges instead of one.)
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For a second I thought the Panzerfaust was avalible on all tank maps, but now that I think about it I don't believe the Germans get them on Bondarevo. It appears the Panzerfaust was avaliable in 1943 at the earliest, so I do agree with you then that German AT gernades would also be needed for pre 43 engagments. Also the German egg grenade is something I too would personally like to see. But I have a feeling new AT weapons to come might be tellermines for the Germans and maybe Russians too.
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Isaak Johnson
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Oh yes, the tellermine might get hard to use, but it would be cool.
Heres some links on the Tellermine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellermine_35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellermine_42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellermine_43
I'd say for a Tellermine though, that infantry shouldn't be able to make it detonate if they step over it, it should only be vehicles.
YES, I know that its trigger was probably sensitive enough to be detonated by a normal 180-200 pound man, BUT I'm saying this because, first off, its pretty large, setting it in the middle of a road or house, its not going to go unnoticed, a soldier is just going to step right over it and maybe even pick it up and throw it off to the side, and your not going to sit out there and dig a hole for the thing in the middle of a battle, that just wasn't done in reality and it would be like suicide in many areas of RO. (I know it WAS possible to bury the mine, but it cant be very easy or safe when bullets are wizzing past you.) There would also be the risk of it becoming one of those weapons that gets used in the way it wasn't intended (which was Anti-Tank) and we all know us RO-junkies would HATE for that to happen. There are also a couple other threads that discussed being able to lay normal mines, and these threads were mostly centered around infantry, and they were against the idea.
So I feel safe saying that the Tellermine should not be able to be used against soldiers on foot, but if only vehicles could detonate it then I can see it working beautifully in RO.
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@Isaak Johnson you are one of the few people who actually manages to write German words correctly. Thumbs up!
I'm not sure how effective those weapons were, but if they were effective it would be great to implement them, while you should scale down the PTRD and the satchels to a more realistic level.
@ZSU-23 what I read so far - may be wrong - Russian anti-tank rifles were more effective than German ones, so implementing the Panzerb
I'm not sure how effective those weapons were, but if they were effective it would be great to implement them, while you should scale down the PTRD and the satchels to a more realistic level.
@ZSU-23 what I read so far - may be wrong - Russian anti-tank rifles were more effective than German ones, so implementing the Panzerb
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Isaak Johnson
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@Isaak Johnson you are one of the few people who actually manages to write German words correctly. Thumbs up!
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
I agree that the satchels need to be toned down, and I agree that the PTRD is overpowered compared to its real-life counterpart, so dont get me wrong, your totally correct. But to be honest on a gaming level, I think the PTRD needs to be upped a in a few certain areas, otherwize the Dev's at Tripwire might as well remove it from the game completly because it will be useless. I know that the PTRD was actually useless in reality, but RO is a game thats about having fun, and a useless weapon is no fun.
Pretty much the same reason for the inclusion of the Panzerbuchse-39 for me, I'd love to play with it anyway, even if it was weak compared to the PTRD. OH, and PTRS too, I want that one too!
Since I cant seem to squeeze any more info-juice from the healthy sponge that is Wikipedia, does anyone have any info on other German AT grenades? I heard that there may have been a more common one of some sort.
(Start your brain the healthy way with Info Juice!)
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