But well germans noticed in the east also, that after 2 or 3 T34 got destroyed, they started to often to withdraw.
On July 7th of 1943, single Tiger tank commanded by SS-Oberscharfuehrer Franz Staudegger from 2nd Platoon of 13th Panzer Company of 1st SS Panzer Grenadier Division "LSSAH" engaged Soviet group of some 50 T-34 tanks around Psyolknee (southern sector of the Kursk salient). Staudegger used up his entire ammunition after destroying some 22 Soviet tanks.
yes Rommel you are right i have lots of clips of tigers in battle in 1944 and i am going to make one big clip of tigers so every one can see the way they fightIts not just the armor its the 88mm gun the German's "trump card" that the Soviets were scared of. Yes they feared it even their newest tanks could and were taken down by the infamous long range 88mm on the Tiger I as well as the other variants found on the Tiger II ,other German tanks, and Pak guns.The Tiger I was a forminable oppenent until the end of the war on both fronts but it wasnt until 1944 that the Tiger I 's armor started to become a bit obsolete(although it was still very useful) on the Eastern front anyway but its gun remained deadly until the war's end.
I'm not saying the Tiger I is indestructable. Just saying that its gun is sevearly weakened(most tanks shouldnt take even 1 88mm round. It should not be deflected ) and its frontal armor needs a bit more tweeking. After all it does have alot of other short commings like the slow turret speed ,slow off road speed, and reload why not make it worth all of that?
Can we stay on topic now?
STUG III G AND PANZER IV H OR HUNGER STRIKE!!!!!
Tigers with drew after killing a few T-34s.I think not if this were true Operation Citadel would never had happened.In Kursk the Tiger I proved very effective in crushing the Soviet defenses and it was there that the Tiger destroyed many waves of T-34s as well as other Soviet tanks.Keep in mind the Tiger I's were always vastly outnumbered in Kursk.Facing impossiable number of tanks at a time with no time for proper tank formations, rest, or time to take proper aim. Not even the luftwaffe could provide enough cover for them due to the soviet airforce's revival.
STUGIII G + PANZERIV H= REAL GERMAN TANK LOAD OUTS!
I'd like to mention a great website (that I discovered through this forum) about Russian tanks and other Russian military matters.
http://battlefield.ru
They are looking for people to help translate articles from Russian into English.
At a risk of flaming, I'm including this quote (from http://battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=50&lang=en), taking about the T-34.
"However, we should mention that their main opponents were not tanks as many history buffs thought, but German anti-tank artillery. German anti-tank and tank guns caused 90% of our tank losses in 1943-1945. Unfortunately, modern tank "lovers" ignore those facts and keep comparing T-34 to Panthers and Tigers".
There is also a nice little piece / report, "General der Schnellen Truppen beim Oberkommando des Heeres distributed the following 'Instructions to units on the Eastern Front for Combating the Russian T-34 Tank with our Panzers'". It gives an account of the Panzer tactics around 1942.
ROMMEL34 said:I have the T-34/85's AP penetration right here:
BR-365 ( Armor Piercing )
Weight: 9.2 kg
Velocity: 792m/s
100m: 96 mm
500m: 83 mm
1000m: 71 mm
1500m: 60 mm
2000m: 50 mm
Notice that at 100m it comes close to but does not penetrate the Tiger I's frontal armor but it can easily pentrate the 80mm sides/rear of a Tiger I up to 550 m.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/misc/wwii_index.htmWhere Might I ask did you get your information? It took me a good 2 hrs to find the T-34/85s penetration data and all they had was what I listed( I think they said it was for 90 degrees ).
SERIOUSLY NOW STUGIII G AND PANZERIV H OR I"LL START SHOOTING HOSTAGES!!
I'd like to mention a great website (that I discovered through this forum) about Russian tanks and other Russian military matters.
http://battlefield.ru
Recce alot of people told me that site is not that good also
the guys over at axis history fourms would point out that battlefield.ru is not the best site as it's inacurret (it clames that the tiger IIs armor was week and post pics of after war tests with the Tigers shot to bits.)
Just because you guys have red petitions in your signiture and type threatening messages in capslock and bold won't make the devs work any faster.