Panzer IV H and STUG G variants.

[kabex]

I know we've asked for these about 5 thousand times, but it can't be said enough.

There is absolutely no reason to have the Panzer IV F/2 and the StugIII F modelled in the game, instead of the H and G variants, respectively.

More often than not, they appear in late war maps(Arad, Rakowice, Barashka, Ogledow) the only early map where the PzIV and Stug appear is Bondarevo, but the PzIVF/2 only after the patch.

Panzerkampfwagen IV

Production numbers for PzIV F/2: 175 started 1941-04-01
Production numbers for PzIV H: 3774 started 1943-04-01

The PzIV H is a much superior tank, upgraded armor, longer gun, armor skirts, etc. There's no reason not to have it.

Sturmgesch

 

[HotDang]

You get my vote provided the maps are from the right time frame of course. We should ideally be using the equipment that was most commonly used by the two sides.

 

[daschewy]

agreed.

 

[Sichartshofen]

Agreed. Late war German tanks are needed above anything else.

 

[aktionman]

Another agreed.

In keeping with the considerations of realism in RO, equipment should always be that which was historically used for the period and for the location of the map.

 

[ROMMEL34]

Yeah they should add these common tank variants especially since the Soviets seem to get most of their late war tanks. (T-34/85, IS-2)

Note: I say you guys should add early Operation Barbarossa tank maps also some more early war tanks like the KV series and some light tanks like the T-28 and the BT-7.

 

[LemoN]

T35!!!!

 

[Witzi]

Yes, late-war-German AFV's are needed to reply against T-34/85 and IS-2.

 

[LemoN]

well all i want is the hetzer
just a great tankhunter
based on the reliable pz38t chassis it has pretty goodm armour and a powerful cannon (75mm L48)

 

[S.h.r.i.k.e.]

I agree on the Panzer H and Stug III G

 

[Kenza]

Aye, both of them makes sense as german medium AFVs are struggeling against the hordes of T34/85 in late war maps atm and it wouldnt be a extrem change like having some PzIV replaced by PzV

BUT we're really short on early war tank atm so i would ratter see tanks like T-26, PzII and Pz35(t)

 

[kabex]

Yes, late-war-German AFV's are needed to reply against T-34/85 and IS-2.

The IS-2 should be incredibly rare... it wasn't a common sight in the battlefield.

Even if the Tiger was produced in similar numbers, you saw the Tiger everywhere, as it needed to be used to its maximum.

 

[Oi!Oi!Oi!]

Maybe Tripwire only made the early models of those tanks because they didn't want or couldn't model skirts?

 

[McNab]

Ya, I was surprised to see the Panzer IV F/2 when I first played the game. But maybe they picked that model because it started 1941-04-01 and the Panzer IV H started 1943-04-01. They probably figured that because it was produced earlier they could just stick it in all the maps after that date so they wouldn't have to code in different tanks for each battle.

 

[Witzi]

The IS-2 should be incredibly rare... it wasn't a common sight in the battlefield.

Even if the Tiger was produced in similar numbers, you saw the Tiger everywhere, as it needed to be used to its maximum.

I meant that Germans should have more "modern" AFV's so that they would have something else than 2
Panthers and Tigers against horde of T-34's and 4 IS-2's.

Dont get me wrong, if used in full effiency, germans can still give those russians a suprise.

But T-34/85 comes in large numbers(Yes, I know, russians produced T-34 in thousands), which it shouldnt, T-34/76 was more common. So russians have unfair advantage with more powerful tank which comes in numbers.

At least there should be lesser /85's and more /76 variants.

And yes, I was thinking of Arad.

 

[LukeFF]

But T-34/85 comes in large numbers(Yes, I know, russians produced T-34 in thousands), which it shouldnt, T-34/76 was more common. So russians have unfair advantage with more powerful tank which comes in numbers.

At least there should be lesser /85's and more /76 variants.

By the time of the Arad battle the T-34-85 was far, far more common than the 76. Replacing one of the 85s with a 76 would be historically okay, but replacing any more than that would be illogical.

 

[kabex]

bump

 

[Heinz]

well, Kabex, people that know the facts can all agree here until we are blue in the face. I agree with you, of course.

this is a more pressing issue than getting another rare infantry gun that 10% of the players will use, or fixing some safety location on a rifle. it took a custom map to get some historical tank allotments. maybe it'll further take some custom modelers to get additional tanks to use on custom maps.

who knows?

 

[Zbojnik]

I agree completely.

 

[Moz]

I approve of this message.

Let the balance not be in the tanks, but in the numbers. (way more soviets!)