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Lockdown, your oppinoin
- Thread starter Crusher
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True, but the gameplay can still be fun in a different way.
Tension isn't about cool firefights, charging heavily defended strongholds or epic tank battles. Sometimes it's about sneaking behind enemy lines, silently taking out all the germans, trying to not get seen. Those kind of tactics take time and mostly you don't succeed on the first try or you want to keep trying it, unfortunately the game kind of doesn't want you to be smart. It wants you to rush the objectives like it's countdown.
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I don't hate Lockdown as a concept. But I agree that it needs changes -- mainly that it needs to be much longer on average than it is now.
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Needs changes.
Pausing lockdown when the attackers are on point is all that needs to be changed to make this an !EXCELLENT! feature.
You can make a last second effort that totally wipes out the defenders and still lose because you were 1 second shy of a cap. That is why this feature ruins games; it does not reward players for their efforts, it is merely there to punish them.
Pausing lockdown when the attackers are on point is all that needs to be changed to make this an !EXCELLENT! feature.
You can make a last second effort that totally wipes out the defenders and still lose because you were 1 second shy of a cap. That is why this feature ruins games; it does not reward players for their efforts, it is merely there to punish them.
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played and lost again at the last second to ****in lockdown again.....
seriously lockdown needs to go away after you capture the first obj. getting ****in sick and tired of being right in the middle of captureing a point and finally making ground and "games over you lose".
seriously lockdown needs to go away after you capture the first obj. getting ****in sick and tired of being right in the middle of captureing a point and finally making ground and "games over you lose".
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It could definitely use some changes I think. In some cases it can be good. Like when your offense team is getting shut down at the first cap zone it just puts you out of your misery. Other times its the opposite where you have fought a long hard fight an the defense team is almost out of reinforcements an pushed back to their final points. But your denied your victory because God called time an decided they won.
On the neutral maps I am not even sure what it is there for. The timer is so long usually one side loses from running out of reinforcements first. Those maps suffer from no real reason to go for the caps at all. People are falling into the routine of just grabbing the closest one an camping.
On the neutral maps I am not even sure what it is there for. The timer is so long usually one side loses from running out of reinforcements first. Those maps suffer from no real reason to go for the caps at all. People are falling into the routine of just grabbing the closest one an camping.
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Lockdown just needs tweaks. Capping a point should add time, that's it.
Lockdown represents high command deciding an assault is far too costly and isn't working, so they pull back. *shrug*
Lockdown represents high command deciding an assault is far too costly and isn't working, so they pull back. *shrug*
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I don't think high command would tell their troops that if they don't capture the next objective in the next 5 minutes they lose the battle. Even 20 min is short but the firefights in the game are faster than irl. The first objective should have lockdown, that's all.
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If they pull in an overtime like in countdown, to me lockdown is just perfect! It just ends a match that would go on the same way anyway 90% of the time.
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This has become one of my most hated features. Constantly having the artificial timer breathing down my neck makes me rush ahead too much (and I'm still a pretty damn vigilant capper even without any timers) and creates unrealistic results in battle. I hate it when I lose because of it and I hate it when I win because of it, it's just such a huge anticlimax. I think getting rid of lockdown would go a long way towards slowing the pace down a bit and making RO2 feel less like a bloody CoD-clone.
Give server owners the option to turn it off!
Give server owners the option to turn it off!
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lost 2 rounds as the russians tonight on 7cav server, we had more points almost all the objs, and the germans had no reinforcements left and we still lost because of lockdown.......
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Let's see, which is easier, moving lockdown to a server side choice, or changing the way 100's of players think...
Please get rid of lockdown, or at the very least put it to a serverside choice. None of these maps are going to pull an arad.
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I'm an old RO1 vet and was a huge RO player.. Lock-Down has basically killed the inner fire I had for the Red Orchestra series.
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I voted for needs changing but feel i need to elaborate.
On the whole I dont like it, but I see why it is there. A team makes no effort to push, or can not get past the initial defense for the first point, do you really want 20 mins of that?
As I see it lockdown serves a purpose to kill a map once the attacking team have no chance of a win. On the face of it thats a good thing, but I would like the attackers to have to opportunity to "win back" some lockdown time under certain circumstances.
As an example I have seen instances where the defenders have used up all or nearly all of their re-inforcements in holding an early point, lockdown has then given the defenders the point early in the round, even though a couple of extra minutes would have seen an attacking rampage. This could easily be averted by slowing lockdown time or even having no lockdown once re-inforcments on either side drop below a certain point, say half the max team size when a result is surely close.
Also as a very minimum make it so there is no lockdown on the last point - make it a true fight to the death. Most players would welcome this because if it gets to the last point it has been a good round, and there is nothing more dissapointing than losing on a technicality.
TL;DR On most maps the attackers have it hard, and any tweak to lockdown to even the battle would be good IMHO.
On the whole I dont like it, but I see why it is there. A team makes no effort to push, or can not get past the initial defense for the first point, do you really want 20 mins of that?
As I see it lockdown serves a purpose to kill a map once the attacking team have no chance of a win. On the face of it thats a good thing, but I would like the attackers to have to opportunity to "win back" some lockdown time under certain circumstances.
As an example I have seen instances where the defenders have used up all or nearly all of their re-inforcements in holding an early point, lockdown has then given the defenders the point early in the round, even though a couple of extra minutes would have seen an attacking rampage. This could easily be averted by slowing lockdown time or even having no lockdown once re-inforcments on either side drop below a certain point, say half the max team size when a result is surely close.
Also as a very minimum make it so there is no lockdown on the last point - make it a true fight to the death. Most players would welcome this because if it gets to the last point it has been a good round, and there is nothing more dissapointing than losing on a technicality.
TL;DR On most maps the attackers have it hard, and any tweak to lockdown to even the battle would be good IMHO.
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And also a push for this poll, to let the devs know what the forum users, who took the time to vote here, think about this feature and maybe some more would like to cast their vote (even if disregarded by TWI, because we are only 0.01%).
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For those that voted that they like the lockdown:
Tell me what's good about it?
Because my opinion is radically different; I think lockdown should be removed completely and forgotten as the bastard feature of all bastard features in all games until mother earth dissapear from space, simply because the only thing it gives is people pressing tactical view and rushing for their objectives. It ruins the whole gameplay experience a lot, and it's definitely one of the reasons why I can't get myself to enjoy playing Ro2. This can be found in 90% of all other games so there is no reason to have it in RO2 and it simply doesn't fit well into the world of red orchestra.
Tell me what's good about it?
Because my opinion is radically different; I think lockdown should be removed completely and forgotten as the bastard feature of all bastard features in all games until mother earth dissapear from space, simply because the only thing it gives is people pressing tactical view and rushing for their objectives. It ruins the whole gameplay experience a lot, and it's definitely one of the reasons why I can't get myself to enjoy playing Ro2. This can be found in 90% of all other games so there is no reason to have it in RO2 and it simply doesn't fit well into the world of red orchestra.
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