Bioshock is UE3, at least according to Epic's Unreal Technology site. I'd trust that source to be a little more reliable than wika.
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KF engine?!
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Unreal Engine 2.5 with some Unreal Engine 3 features; Havok Physics
That's the official word, at least.
Not getting into this debate though.
That's the official word, at least.
Not getting into this debate though.
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I'm a graphics nut and the screenshots for this is what got me so excited. I dont give a **** if it has all the new technical effects. I'm more interested if everything comes together in a single style and looks like it all belongs in one world. Plus it's gonna run awesome. Not to be a hater but the op is clearly a nub.
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ok let me define more whats bothering me. Im not really a graphics freak either,
games nowadays just focus on looks and then totally fail at the gameplay.
Whats really bothering me is the lack of bump/normal-maps and shadows.
If you look at the trailer at 0:20 when the camera zooms away from the horizons
biotech logo you can really see that the wall is just a flat surface...
Also if you look at the flythrough through london you can see the lack of
dark, sharp shadows which makes the whole scenery kinda ugly, even though
the sunlight looks beautiful. (same here with the bumpmaps on buildings)
Doesnt the UE 2.5 support bumpmaps?
games nowadays just focus on looks and then totally fail at the gameplay.
Whats really bothering me is the lack of bump/normal-maps and shadows.
If you look at the trailer at 0:20 when the camera zooms away from the horizons
biotech logo you can really see that the wall is just a flat surface...
Also if you look at the flythrough through london you can see the lack of
dark, sharp shadows which makes the whole scenery kinda ugly, even though
the sunlight looks beautiful. (same here with the bumpmaps on buildings)
Doesnt the UE 2.5 support bumpmaps?
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You say that L4D looks dated, but honestly (imo) L4D generally looks as good as games need to look, nicer graphics are...nice...but ultimately as long as the graphics for a game suit the mood and the artwork is good enough it is completely irrelevant how cutting edge they are. I can think of more "next gen" titles with great graphics - that suck - than I can think of with poor graphics.
Killing floor looks great for UE2.5, and the artwork looks top notch.
Killing floor looks great for UE2.5, and the artwork looks top notch.
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Sheepdip said exactly what I was trying to say. (although L4D's first person gun/hand models are subpar compared with the rest of the excellent models)
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Graphic is not the most important aspect of the game but for me it should be at least decent to let me fully enjoy the game. And what I see on KZ screenshots is far beyound "decent", it's hard to believe that all those eyecandy are based on UE 2.5.
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As long as the animations are good, the textures can be less than the cutting edge stuff out there.
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Seriously, I still play HL1 mods and Starcraft all the time. People need to learn Graphics aren't everything. 
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Seriously, I still play HL1 mods and Starcraft all the time. People need to learn Graphics aren't everything.
I don't believe you graphics are teh most important thing EVAR !1!!11!
I hope your wife believes your lies
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How a game looks is important to me. But it's more about the art direction then the engine being developed on. For instance source is not the best engine but valve do a nice job with textures, ambiance and lighting so that they still produce the nicest looking games.
TW did a good job with some RO maps. Danzig and lyeskrovy stand out for me, but I think they dropped the ball with bonderevo and arad (before it got fixed up).
TW's weakest point however is 3rd person player animations, compared to any recent game at least. It still bugs me to see the missing animation for the HT gunner, or when things get glitched and someone will be carrying thier gun like a grenade and still firing.
TW did a good job with some RO maps. Danzig and lyeskrovy stand out for me, but I think they dropped the ball with bonderevo and arad (before it got fixed up).
TW's weakest point however is 3rd person player animations, compared to any recent game at least. It still bugs me to see the missing animation for the HT gunner, or when things get glitched and someone will be carrying thier gun like a grenade and still firing.
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You dont typically get really sharp or dark shadows in broad daylight. there's always going to be a high level of reflected light.
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Regardless of bump mapping.. I've played the mod and even coded for it extensively..since Directly after the release of the 2.5 version of the mod last year. also ran a couple KF servers for awhile etc. regardless of anything I personally have to say I'm impressed and have already pre-ordered on steam and a few of my clan mates are in the running as well. I only hope the Admin side is friendly like the mod version was. Thanks Alex, Zyn, and Marco for your vision, work, and getting Tripwire into this. I do have to say there are alot of similarities between Killing Floor and Left4Dead...but to be honest how people cannot see that they're two completely different games...is beyond me. I'll be around as always!
...Seal...
and a few of my clan mates are in the running as well. I only hope the Admin side is friendly like the mod version was. Thanks Alex, Zyn, and Marco for your vision, work, and getting Tripwire into this. I do have to say there are alot of similarities between Killing Floor and Left4Dead...but to be honest how people cannot see that they're two completely different games...is beyond me. I'll be around as always!...Seal...
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And it used a heavily modified engine. (read: expensive) Kililng Floor's engine is very similar to what's seen in UT2004, with just a few additions.
In case you need help, i'll illustrate.
2k4.
KF:
If there's any difference in quality between the two, it's because the tripwire art team sweats blood
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UE2X was xbox only. And as far as I know nobody is selling their third party extensions to UE 2.5.
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Was it? Weird for something to be xbox only. I thought it was just xbox optimized.
Why don't you just yank some things out from UE3 that you have the source of? I mean "use what you learned from UE3 to improve the engine" like Bioshock did.
I know this is a "discussion" we had before, but even if it was only in the engine then at least modders could make a sweet graphics mod.
Why don't you just yank some things out from UE3 that you have the source of?
I mean "use what you learned from UE3 to improve the engine" like Bioshock did.I know this is a "discussion" we had before, but even if it was only in the engine then at least modders could make a sweet graphics mod.
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