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British election
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@Drak & Lemon
Please go and start your own Austrian politics thread.
Anyone that cares can post in there.
Please go and start your own Austrian politics thread.
Anyone that cares can post in there.
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Yeah I know. This probably happens to you if you live in Austria too longI guess you don't use your vote in many elections then?
Be careful with generalized hatred of all politicians - this is what causes Populism in the first place. I won't name names but you know who.
.Oh and I do vote.
Nothing, Socialism is great!
The main problem I see with Socialism (Socialist parties) at the moment is that they, instead of being a real socialist party, try to be a jack of all trades and fail in the key areas.
I lack the right words but have you ever read a overly politically correct letter?
Has the same "dull" taste on it and simply does not feel right.
I'm not American.
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Those aren't human rights at all, they're privileges paid for by taxes. I agree with LemoN completely - politicians are almost universally scumbags. Wanting power enough to become a politician in the first place should disqualify you.
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Well lets be realistic - the only way socialism can really work as intended is in a perfect world without human nature. Personally, in perfect society, socialism is the way to go. But that doesn't exist...utopia = "no place". I personally would never want to live under socialism due to the fact a select few will live like kings and the rest like peasants, but I can say that its ideals are something I can agree with.
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Lol wut?
You really seem to confuse Socialism with Communism.
You DO have a point thought, but Socialism mainly aims at lower and middle class persons, ideally transforming quite a lot of lower class to middle class.
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this is exactly what is happening and where the world is going with the aggressive capitalism.
also, I agree with Lemon, I'm socialist myself, but the parties and politicians are incompetent. I still vote for them though, mainly because the alternative (at least in my country) is much worse
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As the subject of this thread is the British election and there are no major socialist parties in the UK (..maybe Greens, dunno) could we get this thread back on track before a lock.
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Depends on your view. In Finland they are basic human rights, just as the right to receive free education.
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What I posted is a fairly common view held over here in America. Personally, I like the idea of certain socialist programs like universal health care (it is pathetic to live in what is (or was) considered the richest country in the world and let people die of preventable/curable illnesses), but I think a lot of the European countries overdo it and give too much, after all they aren't "free" services, they're paid for by the people who have no choice in the matter.
In any case, I hope the new British government doesn't intrude any further into the privacy of its citizens. It's pretty horrible as it is.
In any case, I hope the new British government doesn't intrude any further into the privacy of its citizens. It's pretty horrible as it is.
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Yeah, like Nestor said back to the Pommy politics
I believe the current system in the UK (and the US) of what amounts to basically a two-party system is not good for democracy. Hopefully the voters realize this sooner or later and see they have other options. If there's basically only two parties one will get the majority and all ruling power in parliament, which will lead to a situation like in the 80s with Thatcher completely destroying the foundations of society (and like Ronnie Raygun did in the US in the same period).
In Norway we have a couple of big parties like Labour and the Conservatives but very rarely will a single one not need to ally with another party - which obviously leads to "boring" politics but at least avoids one party's line completely messing everything up during their term in power.
I believe the current system in the UK (and the US) of what amounts to basically a two-party system is not good for democracy. Hopefully the voters realize this sooner or later and see they have other options. If there's basically only two parties one will get the majority and all ruling power in parliament, which will lead to a situation like in the 80s with Thatcher completely destroying the foundations of society (and like Ronnie Raygun did in the US in the same period).
In Norway we have a couple of big parties like Labour and the Conservatives but very rarely will a single one not need to ally with another party - which obviously leads to "boring" politics but at least avoids one party's line completely messing everything up during their term in power.
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what do you british guys think about the european union and maybe join the euro? i know, right now it might be even more difficult to consider the euro in great britain... but i would like to hear some original british opinions on this matter.
with the conservatives taking the lead in forming a new government you are going to separate britain from europe even more, huh? although i heard nick clegg isn't that europe-unfriendly at all...
with the conservatives taking the lead in forming a new government you are going to separate britain from europe even more, huh? although i heard nick clegg isn't that europe-unfriendly at all...
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Lol wut?
You really seem to confuse Socialism with Communism.
You DO have a point thought, but Socialism mainly aims at lower and middle class persons, ideally transforming quite a lot of lower class to middle class.
Not really, socialism is more about giving working class people more rights, not necessarily to make them middle class, alot of socialists and working people are proud to be working class.
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I can't think of anyone being proud to have so few money that they can't support their family without 2-3 jobs, let alone have a car or a halfway OK (rented) flat.
Anyway, regarding the UK and the EU... well since I'm in England (4,5 months now) I have yet to talk to ANYONE who think's the EU is a good thing. (I think the EU is great, as long as it doesn't go pickle berserk again)
The latest stuff with Iceland, Greece and Turkey does not it better of course.
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You obviously have not been in England long enough or have not been up north, most working class people don't have to have 3 jobs to support there family's and not all of us live in flats, and we do have decent cars.
There is alot of working class culture and tradition up north, visit the coal mining museum you may enjoy it
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You obviously have not been in England long enough or have not been up north, most working class people don't have to have 3 jobs to support there family's and not all of us live in flats, and we do have decent cars.
There is alot of working class culture and tradition up north, visit the coal mining museum you may enjoy it
Working class you describe = middle class.
With lower class I literally mean the poor people, people who can barely feed their kids despite 2 or more jobs. Where I come from the class you are in is entirely defined by how much money you have and not what you do for a living.
Anyway, I'm sorry that I keep getting this thread off track.
Regarding the UK election system, is it similar to the US one?
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You obviously have no idea of who the British working class are and the british class system, we are not ultra poor like you are saying, we can afford decent cars and things such as the internet and the like.
being working class in Britain is more than just how much money you make, its more about what community you live in and your family history.
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