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Just had a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. flashback. Thanks.Hold on a sec my Trol-o-Meter just had an over pressure blowout....
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Lol @ torture being efficient.
I still consider America at the forefront of torture techniques, because generally they try to be as humane as possible.
It's the intent that matters
And there you are, disproving your own point. Torture, including the means applied by various agiencies of the USA, doesn't intent to be humane. The intent is to force information out of suspects by physical and/or psychological violence.
EDIT: And that sentence is wrong on almost all levels. It's never the intent that matters (unless it's a badly chosen gift by someone and you need to make him or her feel comfortable about giving you something rubbish), it's always how it's done.
Hitler intented germany to become the greatest nation in the world. Now that alone doesn't sound that bad. But the means by which he tried to achive it made him one of the greatest evils the world has ever seen.
just that you cannot find a more comfortable torture experience outside of US hands.
That is a highly cynical approach to the subject matter. I have to say it again, torture can never ever, under no circumstances be humane.
The comparison is about as moot as the discussion if a 45 cal pistol round or a .50 cal sniper round is less lethal when applied to the head.
The answer is: both are lethal, only one is more excessively so.
Same with torture: any kind is inhumane, some are just more excessively so.
Also, using physical scars as a measure to acting humanely is quite iffy. There are means to break a person psyche to the point where they can't recover without leaving a physical mark.
It doesn't matter if they cut of a finger, use a blowtorch or waterboard, torture isn't any more ore less humane, it's still the same: a means to get someone to say what you WANT to hear from that person (note: NOT to say THE TRUTH).
IMHO, the whole "humane" torture rethoric is a mere PR gag to get the citizens of the US to support, or at least tolerate torture. Which it seemingly does successfully.
rattus said:Which it seemingly does successfully.
Cmon Rattus, you know the type you're dealing with. Not a single person I deal with on a daily basis (all of them US citizens) would consider torture of any type to be 'tolerable'. The very definition of torture implies the intent, there's no way around that. This guy is deluded.
That's because no one expects the spanish inquisition.just that you cannot find a more comfortable torture experience outside of US hands.
That's because no one expects the spanish inquisition.