Poll: Should the AR-15 have a full auto fire select option?
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Feathering your fire button pretty much gives you full-auto functionality anyway.
Being that the AR-15 is our starting and (presumably) weakest rifle I think being limited to semi-auto or 3-round burst is a good choice. With the newer player in mind forcing those 2 options should, in theory, cut down on the amount of wasted shots. Even if the person fires of a couple bursts at a clot, if they were in full-auto that'd probably be an entire mag dumped.
Considering that the L85, AK12 and SCAR all possess full-auto capability, we're not exactly being hindered in our choices.
Being that the AR-15 is our starting and (presumably) weakest rifle I think being limited to semi-auto or 3-round burst is a good choice. With the newer player in mind forcing those 2 options should, in theory, cut down on the amount of wasted shots. Even if the person fires of a couple bursts at a clot, if they were in full-auto that'd probably be an entire mag dumped.
Considering that the L85, AK12 and SCAR all possess full-auto capability, we're not exactly being hindered in our choices.
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all of you realize that the M4 itself is a burst/semi rifle right??? No M4 that exists goes full auto.
and really, I WISH I could get a burst fire gun in the store, but no it's illegal. the Colt 9mm SMG in game is a military weapon through and through...
And not to mention on the SMG ITSELF, the 3 fire selector positions are auto/semi/safe. There is literally no reason to not have an auto function if you're going MUH REALISMS. Not civilian. Not burst. All auto.
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The only problem with the starting Commando weapon, in my opinion, are the words. First, it is not a "varmint" gun. That is just incorrect. Second, while there are 9mm AR15's (Colt has been making one for a long time).
Due to the modularity of AR parts, it didn't take long before someone had put together an fully auto capable 9mm AR.
So, Colt started making the "Colt 9mm submachine gun"
<a href="http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications" target="_blank">[url]http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications[/URL]
Note that the model number R0992 has a selector that goes from safe to semiauto to burst fire, while the R0991 offers safe, semi and full auto modes.
So, the device exists but under a different name.
Due to the modularity of AR parts, it didn't take long before someone had put together an fully auto capable 9mm AR.
So, Colt started making the "Colt 9mm submachine gun"
<a href="http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications" target="_blank">[url]http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications[/URL]
Note that the model number R0992 has a selector that goes from safe to semiauto to burst fire, while the R0991 offers safe, semi and full auto modes.
So, the device exists but under a different name.
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The only problem with the starting Commando weapon, in my opinion, are the words. First, it is not a "varmint" gun. That is just incorrect. Second, while there are 9mm AR15's (Colt has been making one for a long time).
Due to the modularity of AR parts, it didn't take long before someone had put together an fully auto capable 9mm AR.
So, Colt started making the "Colt 9mm submachine gun"
<a href="http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications" target="_blank">[url]http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Military/Products/Colt9mmSubmachineGun(SMG).aspx#102357-technical-specifications[/URL]
Note that the model number R0992 has a selector that goes from safe to semiauto to burst fire, while the R0991 offers safe, semi and full auto modes.
So, the device exists but under a different name.
yep. They just need to admit it's a military weapon and fix the labeling of the fire selector... maybe reduce the recoil
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Im no agreed with you saying its stupid the semiauto because of full auto, because its a personal choice. Some times, when zeds (or players in other games) are far away, semi auto its best than burst or full auto.
The best way to feel it is with high rps guns like the bullpup or scar-h
As for the ar15, it could use fullauto, i dont think it could render it op. Its dmg is low, recoilish, and small 20 mag, so you would be reloading more time than firing if over using it
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I can fire 1 bullet just fine with those on full auto
the only gun I ever change fire mode is AR15...
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Key words are "personal choice"
it is not even contention here anyway...
people are complaining about AR-15
the gun has such slow ROF that even slowest tapper can fire it at full speed on semi-auto
burst fire is just there as a more newbie frienldy option...because putting fullauto on 20-bullet starter gun isnt the wisest thing ever
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I voted no, ammo is dear enough, only reason I ever go full auto myself is when I have 300-390 rounds and I never have too much for the AR-15.
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The AK12 and other rifles that use burst actually perform this way in real life. A little research shows that the rifle fires in 650 RPM in full auto and 1000 RPM in burst mode. Most burst rifles behave this way.
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You realize it's not that hard to mod a semi auto gun into full auto right? People actually do it. It's also why bans on full auto guns are a worthless endeavor.
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This could be more in line with avoiding copyright than an actual inaccuracy. After all, Colt is a registered trademark, doing a label-for-label copy might be subject to some lawyer probing.
Regardless, the point of this thread is that people want a full-auto AR-15, which kind of goes against it being an AR-15 in the first place.
The devs are self-proclaimed gun-nuts and proud of it. I think they made their intentions very clear when they specifically named the gun "AR-15" instead of "M4" or "M16". In the guns world, an AR-15 is not fully automatic.
Yes, you can mod them to go full auto, but at their base state they're considered a semi-auto/burst fire rifle. If TWI wanted the Commando to start with a fully automatic weapon, I doubt they would have gone out of their way to point out that it was an AR-15.
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Maybe. Depending if it's RO639(Safe,Semi,Burst) or RO635(Safe,Semi,Auto), but I'll say it's RO639.
But what it SHOULD HAVE is 32 round magazine.
But what it SHOULD HAVE is 32 round magazine.
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it pretty much has 30 shots at lv10...any more would be over the top...gun is good enough as it is
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Do you even know what you are talking about?
All M4A1 in use by the US military are full auto capable.
Also noone uses 9mm AR15s in the tactical world, much much better guns out there that serve that purpose. Hell even Sig is launching a SMG with a closed bolt feature.
The original AR15 was designed around a true rifle round, not some trash german pistol round. Using it in place of an SMG is retarded. However it fits the games purpose of a cheap starter weapon. The commando class is all about assault rifles and the AR15 regardless of caliber choice will look like an assault rifle, even if it has a .22LR conversion kit.
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Full auto, nah.
They just need to make the burst fire mode not be terrible. It should be a maximum burst of three, not a forced three. So you can shoot one or two rounds on burst mode with a short tap of the trigger. This is realistic, but far far more importantly, it's much better for gameplay.
The entire reason the concept of burst exists is to be more deliberate than full auto. But when you make it a forced three instead of just a maximum of three, firing bullets when you aren't pulling the trigger anymore, that achieves exactly the opposite effect of deliberacy.
I thought TWI was better than to make this mistake that ruins burst fire in so many other games.
They just need to make the burst fire mode not be terrible. It should be a maximum burst of three, not a forced three. So you can shoot one or two rounds on burst mode with a short tap of the trigger. This is realistic, but far far more importantly, it's much better for gameplay.
The entire reason the concept of burst exists is to be more deliberate than full auto. But when you make it a forced three instead of just a maximum of three, firing bullets when you aren't pulling the trigger anymore, that achieves exactly the opposite effect of deliberacy.
I thought TWI was better than to make this mistake that ruins burst fire in so many other games.
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