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Lever Action Rifle, M14, and Handcannon

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NitroBullet

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Wasn't the lever action rifle a tier 1 weapon? How is a tier 1 weapon going to 1 shot a crawler on HoE, while a tier 3 weapon (m14) takes 2 shots?
The M14 uses 7.62x51mm NATO rounds which is stronger than lever action winchester bullets (courtesy of CandleJack & Rainydaykid)

That's like making one blast from the pump shotty 2x stronger than a single blast of the AA12, or one blast from AA12 2 times weaker than a single blast of pump shotty!

Also the Handcannon. I am totally fine with the body shot bonus removal and higher recoil from sharpshooter making this weapon less lethal, but really i think it should've still been able to kill a crawler with 1 shot on HoE. Also the dual pistol reload bonus being taken away was just uncalled for... for reals. Maybe the piercing makes up for it, but dual handcannon just useless now... i'd rather just single handcannon + m14.
 
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NitroBullet said:
Wasn't the lever action rifle a tier 1 weapon? How is a tier 1 weapon going to 1 shot a crawler on HoE, while a tier 3 weapon (m14) takes 2 shots?
They both use 7.62mm rifle bullets...

That's like making one blast from the pump shotty 2x stronger than a single blast of the AA12, or one blast from AA12 2 times weaker than a single blast of pump shotty!

Also the Handcannon. I am totally fine with the body shot bonus removal from sharpshooter making this weapon less lethal, but really i think it should've still been able to kill a crawler with 1 shot on HoE.

P.S. Not so Silent Night is broken
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Actually, the AA12 has lower single-shot damage then the Pump afaik....the difference is that they both have rapid-fire capabilities, that's what gives them tier-3 status.

Average dmg + Bolt-action = A weak weapon

Average dmg + Fully automatic = An extremely powerful weapon


You might have a point with handcannon 1-shotting crawlers though, but since the Scar apparently shouldn't be able to 1-shot too, oh well.
 
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NitroBullet said:
So far I only made it to wave 5 1/2 on HoE santa lair (solo)... I do better with LAR + HC than M14 + HC T_T that's not right
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I started playing sharp again with this update because it is actually balanced and fun again. I usually use a 9mm and LAR early on, then 9mm and xbow later, with a handcannon or dual handcannon the last couple of waves as a panic weapon. Sometimes I snipe with a single handcannon early on. Farthest we got on HoE was almost to the end of wave 9 on Biohazard. We had a medic, commando, zerker, support, and 2 sharps. I had a bow, the other guy had an M14. I stood behind the support and shot everything in the head with my 9mm, using the xbow as needed.
 
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NitroBullet said:
Wasn't the lever action rifle a tier 1 weapon? How is a tier 1 weapon going to 1 shot a crawler on HoE, while a tier 3 weapon (m14) takes 2 shots?
They both use 7.62mm rifle bullets...
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NOPE.

The M14 uses 7.62x51mm NATO (be specific :)) but the LAR doesn't.

You know the 7.62mm NATO round is of a spitzer design, right?

If you had a LAR with spitzer bullets, the tips would be touching the next bullet's primer.

It'd just take a hard knock or a savage reload to set off the primers; then: BOOOM.

The LAR uses round-nosed bullets to get around this.

I'm not sure the lever action rifle design can handle a 7.62mm NATO load, because as far as i know, the lever action is the weakest one in comparison to the bolt-action, pump-action and maybe even break-action.

This means that Lever-Action Rifles are limited to smaller rounds, the main ones being .40-40 Winchester, .38-40 Win, .32-20 Win, .22LR and .44 Magnum.


TL;DR the LAR and M14 do not have an ammunition commonality.
 
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Rainydaykid said:
I started playing sharp again with this update because it is actually balanced and fun again. I usually use a 9mm and LAR early on, then 9mm and xbow later, with a handcannon or dual handcannon the last couple of waves as a panic weapon. Sometimes I snipe with a single handcannon early on. Farthest we got on HoE was almost to the end of wave 9 on Biohazard. We had a medic, commando, zerker, support, and 2 sharps. I had a bow, the other guy had an M14. I stood behind the support and shot everything in the head with my 9mm, using the xbow as needed.
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Yea that was a really good run last night, even though I was always the first to die. But that's natural since I was on the front lines and whenever something charged at someone I jumped in it's way with the aa12. I was the support specialist last night, -AD-Garrett if you remember me.
 
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CandleJack said:
NOPE.

The M14 uses 7.62x41mm NATO (be specific :)) but the LAR doesn't.

You know the 7.62mm NATO round is of a spitzer design, right?

If you had a LAR with spitzer bullets, the tips would be touching the next bullet's primer.

It'd just take a hard knock or a savage reload to set off the primers; then: BOOOM.

The LAR uses round-nosed bullets to get around this.

I'm not sure the lever action rifle design can handle a 7.62mm NATO load, because as far as i know, the lever action is the weakest one in comparison to the bolt-action, pump-action and maybe even break-action.

This means that Lever-Action Rifles are limited to smaller rounds, the main ones being .40-40 Winchester, .38-40 Win, .32-20 Win, .22LR and .44 Magnum.


TL;DR the LAR and M14 do not have an ammunition commonality.
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Eh, typo? 7.62 x 51mm. Yeah, a lever action can't handle .308, I think bolt action is the strrongest. Most common I can think of for lever is 30-30, which is fairly similar to 7.62x39(the regular AK round) balistically.

Any incorrections are the fault of I haven't had coffee yet this morning.
 
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-[SiN]-bswearer said:
play normal or hard, once you get enough to buy a LAW take it, walk right up to a siren and shoot her in the face from point blank. it will be like when non-exploding grenades hit/kill specimens when you're really close to them.

it works ;)
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Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She likes it.
What exactly is that noise supposed to be? It sounded like screaming before, now the Siren just sounds like a loud wind. *confused*
 
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Spicy said:
Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She likes it.
What exactly is that noise supposed to be? It sounded like screaming before, now the Siren just sounds like a loud wind. *confused*
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Dear Spicy,

How rude! She's singing a Christmas carol for you, ingrate! I'll make sure you get extra coal this year, as I shoot it at 900 meters per second out of my humongous gun for an arm!


Sincerely, Patty Claus
 
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NitroBullet said:
a skar's fire rate can finish 2 crawlers faster than it would take m14 to take out 2 if it were to one-shot
in fact the ak47 or skar can literally mow down zeds like nothing (they're just terrible vs a fleshpound)
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The M14, like all Sharpshooter weapons, are meant to shoot the head. Crawlers shot in the head by a level 6 SS's M14 on HoE die in 1 hit, I believe.
 
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Spicy said:
Don't worry about hurting her feelings. She likes it.
What exactly is that noise supposed to be? It sounded like screaming before, now the Siren just sounds like a loud wind. *confused*
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I just say as a joke that they recruited Willam Hung (a really bad American Idol contestant) to do the singing for the siren in the Christmas update. Usually gets a laugh from the people I play with.
 
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[TW]Xienen said:
The M14, like all Sharpshooter weapons, are meant to shoot the head. Crawlers shot in the head by a level 6 SS's M14 on HoE die in 1 hit, I believe.
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Heh, I can't even see the head on crawlers until they are waaay too close. Black head on a black body hunched over so there is no silhouette. The only way to see it is to crank your gamma until the game looks stupid.

For this reason alone I wish we would keep crawlers as single body shot for any Tier 3+ weapon.
 
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smilin said:
Heh, I can't even see the head on crawlers until they are waaay too close. Black head on a black body hunched over so there is no silhouette. The only way to see it is to crank your gamma until the game looks stupid.

For this reason alone I wish we would keep crawlers as single body shot for any Tier 3+ weapon.
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I dont think giveing sharpshooter one-shot on crawlers is a good idea. Your commando buddy should, however. Commando should be the one who keeps EVERY SINGLE one crawlers and stalkers from the team, not sharpshooter. Just focus on medium to bigs only unless your teamate really need help. Now sharpshooters do a "ok job" to small zeds and great for medium to large zeds. And this is intended.

Only problem of ss perk is the totally cost-ineffective xbow.
 
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