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  • [TW]DrGuppy
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    Multimedia Presentation on the Eastern Front.

    Recently found this excellent (although obviously Russian biased) flash-like presentation covering the Eastern Front as seen by the Russians. Very well done and includes pictures, videos, sounds, and even veteran interviews. Definately worth checking out.

    The Link: http://english.pobediteli.ru/

  • Pappa_bear
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    Really amazing!

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  • Bolt
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    My god people where not even allowed to talk their home language sometimes
    Sources please.
    And I guess when majority of soldiers is made of Russians or Russian speaking people (Byelorussians, Ukrainians etc), a guy who talks Tadzhik won't do any good?
    I know that in IDF soldiers have to talk Idish, in US army I guess they also have to speak English, even if they are Asians, Russians etc..

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  • myzko
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    Originally posted by Bolt View Post
    I can bet anything that the only thing you've heard about those purges is that Stalin was a maniac, so he killed most of the officers. Right?
    Wrong.

    In 1937-1938 9506 commanding officers were arrested, from which 1431 were freed in 1938-1939. This makes 8075 officers (without the Navy and the Air forces) opressed, or 1,8% of all commanding officers in RKKA (not all were sentenced to death). 9701 or 2% were fired from the Army (but not arrested).
    Thing is, do you really think 3,8% of CO that Red army lost in those years had such a huge impact on the beginning of war? I kinda doubt it. I say it's the disorganisation because of the Blitzkrieg, it's because the unexperencied CO and common soldiers (they were facing German veterans, that had 2 years of fighting) and it's outdated tactics.

    French leaders didn't purged their officers, but somehow Germans managed to take whole France in a matter of weeks. Also, they were facing English as well - Dunkirk (or whatever it is really called) anyone?

    Thing is, alot of experienced men where purged, and YES the purges had a great effect on the overall organization of the Red Army


    My god people where not even allowed to talk their home language sometimes

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  • Bolt
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    I can bet anything that the only thing you've heard about those purges is that Stalin was a maniac, so he killed most of the officers. Right?
    Wrong.
    Таким образом в 1937-1938 гг. было арестовано 9506 человек начсостава (из них 1431 восстановлено в 1938-1939 гг.) и уволено по политическим мотивам 18822 (из них 9121 восстановлено в 1938-1939 гг.). Таким образом, итоговое число офицеров, репрессированных в 1937-1938 гг. (без ВВС и флота) составляет 8075 или 1,8 % (от списочного состава комсостава) арестованных (среди которых далеко не все были расстреляны) и 9701 или 2% уволенных из армии.
    In 1937-1938 9506 commanding officers were arrested, from which 1431 were freed in 1938-1939. This makes 8075 officers (without the Navy and the Air forces) opressed, or 1,8% of all commanding officers in RKKA (not all were sentenced to death). 9701 or 2% were fired from the Army (but not arrested).
    Thing is, do you really think 3,8% of CO that Red army lost in those years had such a huge impact on the beginning of war? I kinda doubt it. I say it's the disorganisation because of the Blitzkrieg, it's because the unexperencied CO and common soldiers (they were facing German veterans, that had 2 years of fighting) and it's outdated tactics.

    French leaders didn't purged their officers, but somehow Germans managed to take whole France in a matter of weeks. Also, they were facing English as well - Dunkirk (or whatever it is really called) anyone?

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  • Elysium
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    Ha ha right about the Soviet bias. Nothing about how they almost defeated themselves before the war began with the purges of the Red Army.

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  • 8-ball
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    download link: http://english.pobediteli.ru/victors.rar

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  • V.Grossman
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    Originally posted by slyder73 View Post
    A really interesting, and one of the most well researched books I"ve read on the Soviet army during the Second World War is called, "Ivan's War" by Catherine Merridale. Definately worth a read for anyone interested. Really puts into perspective the Soviet side in a much more modern and objective view.
    Fantastic book slyder73 just finished it.
    I found some good books about stalingrad here:http://www.leapinghorseman.com/index2.php

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  • slyder73
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    Originally posted by myzko View Post
    What I mean with bias is that they mention alot of criminal activities by the germans, mass executions etc, and mention noone of their own


    and does anyone have a download version for this? or at least the music? I really want this!!!
    Agreed. The Soviet Red Army committed some very awful war crimes, mostly when they entered territory not formerly controlled by the Soviet state. The really cool Flash presentation is nice to watch, but it does give a very "cleaned" up version of the Russian side...not mentioning the starvation, the tens of thousands of Soviet soldiers shot by their own officers, the rape, the pillaging, the murders.
    A really interesting, and one of the most well researched books I"ve read on the Soviet army during the Second World War is called, "Ivan's War" by Catherine Merridale. Definately worth a read for anyone interested. Really puts into perspective the Soviet side in a much more modern and objective view.

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  • myzko
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    Originally posted by Moz View Post
    maybe its russian bias because they I-don't-know won the war?!

    reality sure does have an anti-nazi bias
    What I mean with bias is that they mention alot of criminal activities by the germans, mass executions etc, and mention noone of their own


    and does anyone have a download version for this? or at least the music? I really want this!!!
    Last edited by myzko; 10-16-2006, 04:36 AM.

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  • Bolt
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    Latvia and Estonia, a home country of this cock-head's, are famous for it. Lithuania has less issues about it, but it still has.

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  • Rss
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    Originally posted by Bolt View Post
    Welcome to the forum, W1k1ng.

    Just 2 things.

    Can anyone imagine that somewhere in Europe statues which are dedicated to SS soldiers are being build? For your information, all SS troops are being held as war criminals after Niurnberg trial. But, somewhere out there, in Europe they build statues to SS and every year, every god damn year, large column of former SS troops, with banners and all ***** goes through the capital of one of European Union's country and its government doesn't even scratch to stop it.
    And oh, every spring statue to Russian Soldier in one of this country's city is being vandalised. Flowers under this statue are stomped and thrown away.


    I'm sure you do know that 80% of all German casualties happened in the Eastern front. And that not only germans were freezing in cold weather, soviet people didn't have magical cure for it.

    Moz, respect for your sig. I laughed.
    Yeah, I've seen that happen and it's sick. Mostly happening in Baltic states, IIRC.

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  • Seth_Soldier
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    and it isn't the german army, it is the third reich army (german,austrian, polish ,french and other people coming from direct annexion)

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  • Rss
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    Originally posted by Lapata View Post
    Why Russia won the war ? Its BECAUSE of RUSSIAN People . Evrybody always mentions winter which is bs. Germans were ready for winter warfare just not for Russian winter warfare.
    Correction. SOVIET people. Hundreds of nationalities. Three of my countrymen were even awarded as Heroes of The Soviet Union.

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  • Lapata
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    [quote=W1k1ng;152492]totally agree.. Russian schools still teach history by Soviet version, carefully modified and changed more heroistic. all crimes and dark facts filtered out

    nobody speak there about Communist regime crimes, Stalins actual face, NKVD crimes in occupied states (similar to things what Gestapo did -killing civilians on especially brutal way, tortureing and deportations)

    opposite - ww2 and Victory are part of daily culture and every day you can see some ww2 thematic movie from TV..

    Can you imagine that you could wear Nazy symbolics on clothes on Germany? No, but you can easily do same with Communists symbolics on Russia, though the regimes had similar faces and both did similar things.. just one happened to be on Victorious side and nobody cant judge over winners..

    and

    why Germans lose war

    -Supply shortage (Oil, raw materials)
    -War in several fronts, against several enemies
    -Cold Winters of Russia (though it goes under Supply shortage - with decent clothes -30C is not lethal -we have such cold days each winter
    -Hitler

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