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PSA Regarding issue with the Matriarch Seasonal Objective

Kittenmittens

Tripwire Interactive Community Team
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We've been considering how to best approach the issue players are having with needing the final blow in order to gain credit for the victory. We looked at the feasibility of a hotfix at this point in December. Unfortunately, with the holidays and the timing it will not work out. We do not want players to miss out on the reward. We want you all to be able to relax and enjoy the seasonal with out stressing over the combination of RNG and needing a final blow, as that was never intentional. We feel that the best thing to do is make sure players get the seasonal reward at the end of the event whether the Matriarch Objective is completed or not. Players will be receiving the reward at the end of the event regardless of the status of the Matriarch specific Objective. Apologies for the inconvenience. No get back to shooting and hacking up zeds in true holiday spirit!
 
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Azukki

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So between the final blow thing and the randomized bosses, it would have been an average of 600 boss battles to finish the challenge if playing on full teams that lost half the time to the unfamiliar boss? 10x5x6x2
 

Nenjin

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I have to question why this was done in the first place.

Previous events: Boss kills were shared among all players. Bosses spawned predictably on the new maps.

The fact you guys say it's not an easy fix implies this wasn't a mistake or an oversight, it was intentional.

I get that having a really rare boss is kind of a cool idea, sure. I get this was probably experimental. But why tie rewards to beating a highly random boss, during a time limited seasonal event, in a game where there has been no previous competition between players?

We've known since the old MMO days that making players fight over a spawn kill is unpopular, unfun, abusively grindy and makes people compete rather than cooperate. The fact that someone thought this was a workable idea is troubling.

Thank you for revisiting it. But please never do this again.
 

Kittenmittens

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It was never design intention to make Seasonal Objectives for bosses require a killing blow to count. It used to be intentional that Achievements require the final blow but that was recently changed to give entire squads credit.
 

abloo

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Didn’t you all run a beta for this update? And this issue wasn’t noticed at all? Or in your internal testing? Tripwire does test its own updates ... right?
 

®omano

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I stopped participating in BETA after years of being ignored for 'this' or 'that' issue. Rest assured that all the efforts are made to make cosmetics and crates work though.. (and actualllyyyy........ I reported and upped multiple time an issue I have in the only two cosmetics I paid for in crates, they never gave a ****, maybe because it was me who reported I don't know.. so even for some cosmetic they don't give a ****...)
 

®omano

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To this day I'm still waiting for a Matriarch boss fight, still didn't have it yet, I mean WTF TWI are you doing?

edit: three more matches and still NO MATRIARCH! A friend is actually calculating his encounter statistics, I think he is actually at LESS THAN 4% CHANCE of encountering Matriarch (he's at nearly thirty matches so far with ONE Matriarch)! WTF is that?!
 
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s5yn3t

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Wanna play together? With my luck, we'll have matriarch fight in no time xD
 

Nac

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I've been farming normal endless soloplay for the past 2 days. Managed to get 3 Matty kills and I was not looking forward to doing the same for the next few days until I found this topic.

While I'm thankful for this bit of news, I'd just like this confirmed. I play on PC and PS4. This applies to all platforms right so that includes consoles as well? (Pretty sure PC is covered...)
 

Berg my Burger

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Been playing the Jul-event for 3 days now, some roughly ~30 matches in total. Including couple Endless fooling around.
Got to see Matty ONCE (1x) in the whole time.
Seriously, TWI ! Implement some boss-elimination system that blocks already appeared bosses from re-appearing on the next game!
OR at least increase Matty's appearance rate by some 4-8x.

Been playing KF since 1.0 Demo from 2005, and this is easily the most frustrating event in the history of the IP.
 

SnapJackalPop

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I'm glad you've decided to do this, though I am baffled as to why she was made so rare.

Since I started playing the seasonal last Friday (the 13th) I've managed to rack up 5 Matriarch kills, four in solo and one in endless. She's only appeared three times in public survival matches aside from that.

Are there any plans to increase the chances of her appearing in future? Seems a shame to go to the trouble of creating a new boss and then hiding it away.
 

s5yn3t

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And here's me having her 3 times in a row in suicidal long multiplayer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tbh at this point, i think i could have filled 3 bars of her seasonal objective.
 

Sarcy

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TLDR, just do what I did - play DieSector to Boss and if Matriarch GREAT, if not retry - easy...
 

SnapJackalPop

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TLDR, just do what I did - play DieSector to Boss and if Matriarch GREAT, if not retry - easy...
I did that. For an hour. Matriarch turned up once.

There's only so long I can keep at it before I lose the will to persevere 😩
 
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Sarcy

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Well you have until Jan 7th and I was getting to the Boss in 4 minutes [kill within 5] so it's pretty easy tbh - fact I've done the 'Seasonal' Objectives within days every time shows they aren't that challenging/time-consuming
I mean where has the flat kills challenge gone? Went from 2500 to 1500 and now gone completely - surely they should have increased it, incentivise playing more no?

It is unfortunate it relies on RNG, would've thought she might have been consistently the Boss of Biotics Lab Objective [at least until Season passes] but alas she is not

To those who don't have the time or patience, you could always find someone* who does and then join them for Boss waves? Just a thought

*That doesn't mean myself, I plan on taking it easy this holiday season
 

Patcha

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We've been considering how to best approach the issue players are having with needing the final blow in order to gain credit for the victory. We looked at the feasibility of a hotfix at this point in December. Unfortunately, with the holidays and the timing it will not work out. We do not want players to miss out on the reward. We want you all to be able to relax and enjoy the seasonal with out stressing over the combination of RNG and needing a final blow, as that was never intentional. We feel that the best thing to do is make sure players get the seasonal reward at the end of the event whether the Matriarch Objective is completed or not. Players will be receiving the reward at the end of the event regardless of the status of the Matriarch specific Objective. Apologies for the inconvenience. No get back to shooting and hacking up zeds in true holiday spirit!
Thank you for this palliative, but personalli I'm disappointed: I wouldn't expect such kind of huge evaluation errors after years you develop this game...

EDIT: anyway, couldn't be easier to modify a map to make it spawn ONLY Matriarch as boss until the event goes?
 

SnapJackalPop

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Well you have until Jan 7th and I was getting to the Boss in 4 minutes [kill within 5] so it's pretty easy tbh - fact I've done the 'Seasonal' Objectives within days every time shows they aren't that challenging/time-consuming
I mean where has the flat kills challenge gone? Went from 2500 to 1500 and now gone completely - surely they should have increased it, incentivise playing more no?

It is unfortunate it relies on RNG, would've thought she might have been consistently the Boss of Biotics Lab Objective [at least until Season passes] but alas she is not

To those who don't have the time or patience, you could always find someone* who does and then join them for Boss waves? Just a thought

*That doesn't mean myself, I plan on taking it easy this holiday season
This is the first seasonal I've not managed to finish within a couple of days due to the Matriarch.

Still, I finally racked up 10 kills last night when, out of nowhere, she showed up three times consecutively (once in survival and twice in endless). I just hope we don't have any similar challenges with such skewed odds in future.