Russian Cavalry!

Like these guys?

Wasn't cavalry pretty outdated in WW2? Russians used them, but I don't think they would be very effective in the game...

Not even sure if they really fought from their horses. Didn't they just use the horses for transportation to the front line, or also in combat?

Also I'd think it would take a considerable amount of work to make the horses "work".

Cavalry would not survive 30 secs in urban combat.
Also, modelling and programming horses would be a lot of work.

Cavalry ceased to be important cca 1905. Dragoon units are still used though..

Cullis said:

Cavalry ceased to be important cca 1905. Dragoon units are still used though..

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this. many people think the poles had all their cavalry as guys only armed with swords

Would cavalry function like tanks, without the ability to disembark?

Like others have said, Russian cavalry units we're used in the battle of stalingrad. One things I remember reading was that they crashed into German armour that were on their way to a different part of the front during Uranus. They were completely slaughtered.

Not even Ogeltez could have saved them...

Cavarly in a tactical shooter? This is not "Red Orchestra Total War" you know that?

I was under the impression that most "cavalry" units at this point basically used the horses to travel around really fast, then dismounted to go into battle. Is this correct, or did they really sometimes ride around shooting at the enemy?

Anyways, either way I don't think it'd be worth it. Either it'd serve a purpose that currently doesn't see use within the game itself or would just make you a big fat target for the enemy team.

Calvary already gets owned pretty easily by a small group of archers in a game like M&B. With SMGs or even just bolts they'd last about 3 seconds.

Offensive name said:

In Stalingrad the soviet cavalry was still issued sabres so I guess they used them while mounted on their horse but nothing stopped them from dismounting and then attacking.

Also the italians and Romanians had cavalry units in Stalingrad.

Cavalry would be a bigger target but they would also move very fast.
I wouldnt like it to face them in Spartanoska for sure.

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Can you please name an italian cavarly unit in stalingrad? There were only a transport unit in stalingrad afaik, and not on horses for sure.

Cavalry was used in many armies, mostly as a cheap "motorized" brigade. They also had some degree of motorization as the war advanced. The main purpose was to transport the troops somewhat fast around the battlefield, then dismount the horses in a safe location and deploy the squad as infantry, often with less support units (think light artillery, mortars, mgs, some were horse towed but...) Consider also that horses requires a lot of care to be at top (irons, food, medical care, furnitures like saddles and garnments, and a lot of things that your regular infantry battalion doesn't need...) and the eastern front wasn't exactly friendly on supply routes. Also, horses have the bad habit to die or be incapacitated by enemy bullets, shrapnel, and such (bad horses, baaaad ) and reserves weren't huge and right behind the corner (at least, not for the italians, that's for sure)

Charging on horse with sabres and grenades may sounds cool, but would require TONS of work to code, animate, and escpecially, fit on the map and terrain on a realistic way. Not really worth it.

Also, cavarly charges were VERY outdated by the time, and could only work in especially good conditions for the attacker, like night\fog and against poor armed foes (also read few machineguns\mortars) But i recognize some cavalry charges were effectively made (one quite famous by italians, can't rem the name right now)

All in all, definitely not in stalingrad rubble, frosted, streets. They would be simply too easy to kill\incapacitate.

Cullis said:

Also, modelling and programming horses would be a lot of work.

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I have been working on making a horse for 12 hours now and it's finally ready! Sent this **** to an animator now:

The Savoia Cavalry conducted a successful charge on horseback in August of 1942, complete with colours, bugles, and drawn sabres. "Supported by the dismounted 4th Squadron and the regiment

Right man

Found the wiki page (only italian, sorry)

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carica_di_Isbuscenskij


But I consider that a lucky strike, and the event was made big through propaganda (btw, all the videos on the event were postomuos, and the cavarlymen disapproved and protested a lot, to not furtherly stress the already tired horses) Nor germans or russian records of this battle are around afaik, so it was just a successful skirmish. Plus, without denyin honor and sacrifice, all those medals awarded, are because most of the cavarlymen were nobles...

From the wiki: "Il reggimento ebbe la medaglia d

Bluehawk said:

Would cavalry function like tanks, without the ability to disembark?

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That's right. One player takes the role of rider, and another takes the role of the horse.

You don't want to think too hard about what happens when they hit the scuttle key!

Have you guys never seen War Horse?

Calvary only works in pursuing roles, only an idiot would mount a horse (elevated position) in a battlefield dominated my auto rifles and fast firing machine guns....

To confirm what some others have said, cavalry had been for a long time what dragoons were centuries prior. No one's first plan was to do a cavalry charge, even for Poland. If there was a cavalry charge it was oppurtunistic, say if the enemy isn't expecting it. Also, according to wikipedia most Polish cavalry charges were infact successful to some degree, although there were only about 15 such charges. And charges happened once in a while throughout the war.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_cavalry#Cavalry_charges_and_propaganda[/URL]
(take that for what it's worth, I wouldnt base my doctorate thesis on this)

But as for "why not have them?" Because thats way too much work to have an underwhelming 32-player charge that would never have happened