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[Lt_Kettch]

The Thompson isn't accurate at range because the bullet "runs out of powder" or some such crap, as well. Obviously whoever created that abomination of a show hasn't the least grasp of basic ballistics, or of how the guns they're talking about work. Shoddy, shoddy research - IF any was actually done.

Thompson submachineguns are inaccurate at extended range because they fire from an open bolt. When you pull the trigger the bolt flies forward. All that mass rushing forward, stripping a round out of the magazine and then slamming it into the chamber causes imparts quite a bit of motion to the gun. That motion translates into unwanted motion of the muzzle, which means the bullet isn't aimed remotely close to where the sights were when you pulled the trigger. FYI the .45ACP is quite accurate out to 150 yards or better when fired from a carbine length barrel.

I could nitpick that show to pieces, but it would take too long. There was just so much outright wrong info, and so much more that was misrepresented, that it would take a not-so-small book to correct it all.

Note to show's producers: Study basic physics, then get some real firearms experts, those who understand the basic principles of how firearms and ammunition really work, then try again.

To support your postion
The prove that pistols and pistol cartridges can be useful at long ranges with the right modification

This thing was used in WWI by arty soldiers to defend themselves on guess what ... long ranges.

 

[mat69]

What's for you long ranges?

 

[Lt_Kettch]

Up to one hunderd meters buut I am not sure.

Have to find my source again

EDIT: My source seems to be the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luger_pistol I can't find something about long ranges perhaps I 'am mixing up something ... I'am confused right now

 

[bas]

To support your postion
The prove that pistols and pistol cartridges can be useful at long ranges with the right modification

This thing was used in WWI by arty soldiers to defend themselves on guess what ... long ranges.

That is equally proof that they are not useful at long ranges; on account that they don't make them anymore. Stocks and extra long barrels on pistols are now well and truely considered an novelity with no serious military application.

Last stocked military (issued) pistol that I can think of is the Russian Stechkin which is also select fire.

(that is not to say that there aren't target shooters that shoot pistols out to 200-300m but that is a different matter).

 

[{YBBS}Sage]

FYI the .45ACP is quite accurate out to 150 yards or better when fired from a carbine length barrel.

Yeah, I agree with you there (the rest of the post, too). The Delisle rifle in .45ACP was supposedly VERY accurate.

100 yards/meters might be "long range" for a pistol, but it's practically spitting-distance with any rifle. Those guys shooting handguns at 200+ yards are shooting stuff like the Thompson Contenders, which are single shot guns chambered in rifle calibers, with rifle-style actions. You should see the shooting positions they have to use to steady them, too.

Lay down on your back, feet toward target. Put your feet flat on the ground so your knees are bent. Place the side of the handgun against the outside your strong-side calf (right-handed = right calf), aim, breathe, squeeze... fall asleep.