Let's talk about the M4(s)

[Strogglet]

Some of you probably already know who I am, just a Commando that likes being Commando, so yeah, Commando guns is what I focus.

Seen many good weapons on this perk. My most favourite is the AK47 and I never stopped there. Seems to be the all-around versatile weapon, good for nearly everything but not perfect for one specimen, which is why it's great. Despite those dislikes I heard of (rumours), even the bullpup can sometimes be good thanks to it's clip size and fire speed. The SCAR? It's fine, but I pretty much prefer using it on Normal, and sometimes even Hard, against the Scrakes' heads. FN FAL, since it's almost identical to SCAR, I can't say much. I still miss the non-ACOQ FN FAL though.

Any way, from all these opinions I said...Is there even anything useful with the M4?

I've tried it, of course, but I saw NO difference at all. The M4 seems to have the same damage as the Bullpup. Its fire rate seems to be faster than the bullpup, the clip size is exactly like the AK47's...What's the difference? Better fire speed?

Bullpup has 50 clip size and it fires at a good phase, I don't see any reason to use M4's faster firing speed since it has 37 ammo clip. Besides, the recoil is huge.

I even tried the Demo's M4+M203 weapon, but almost the same stuff.

So has anyone ever found a benefit using M4?

 

[foxtwo]

I play commando as well, and I find the M4 to be lacking as well. while I typically use the AK and M4 in the middle waves, I tend to just rely on the AK. it would be nice if the M4 got a buff in the form of less recoil, something that allows it to be a heavy hitting Bullpup.

I dont use demo nearly enough to have much of an opinion. but other then the benefit of not switching weapons the M79 just outclasses it. which is funny considering the costs

 

[vealck]

So... let me get this straight: you play on normal / hard as commando lvl6 and complain about M4? It kills every trash and decapitates gorefast on one headshot on hard. What else you want it to do? And yes, it has more damage than bullpup.

 

[C_Gibby]

As a lv6 mando who plays on HOE frequently, I can safely say that I do very much love my M4.

 

[CandleJack]

M4 with clip.

The M4 is actually very good, it's a more accurate version of the AK, it has low recoil in burst fire and the mag size is decent.

However having this many guns means you can cater to your needs/wants as a Commando.

 

[~Ren~]

I also play Commando and I've tried the M4 a few times but it just can't replace the AK for me, the AK is my main weapon with the SCAR as backup and the AK feels better, I also love the iron sights.

I only play suicidal and HoE and for me the AK is the better weapon to use. Personal preference.

 

[Amber Glass]

As a lv6 mando who plays on HOE frequently, I can safely say that I do very much love my M4.

qft

 

[Azukki]

On HoE, as lvl6, the M4 decapitates trash in one shot, and has 500 ammo, something no other commando weapon does. The view model also stays perfectly still while aiming, making shooting accurately more easy. It also has a little less recoil than the AK, and supposedly it has more accuracy potential.

On every other difficulty, the Bullpup seems far better to me if I want a rifle exclusively for trash zed headshots, and the AK seems slightly better for anything else. M4 can be fun to use and effective, but never quite the most practical choice, I think.

I think if its recoil were more drastically better than the AK's, it could be a useful yet balanced weapon on any difficulty.
32 capacity, (40 at lvl 6) could also be worth considering.

The M4203 doesn't decap trash on sui or hoe with one shot, fires so fast on full auto only that it can be tough to fire a single shot, and recoils enough that at anything but short range, only the first shot hits the head.
Those three things together really hold it back, especially the the lacking damage.

If it had enough damage or headshot bonus to kill trash zeds with a headshot on HoE, I think it would be useful on all difficulties, but overpowered. But if it were otherwise nerfed, say perhaps to 20rd mags, 600 rpm, and maybe even semi auto only, I think it could also be balanced as well as useful on all difficulties.

 

[foxtwo]

Love it

 

[thresher3253]

I prefer M4 instead of AK simply because it has less recoil in semiauto mode which lets me decapitate weaker zeds much faster than the AK. Also, i think that the sight is easier to use.

 

[Strogglet]

So... let me get this straight: you play on normal / hard as commando lvl6 and complain about M4? It kills every trash and decapitates gorefast on one headshot on hard. What else you want it to do? And yes, it has more damage than bullpup.

I want it to be REASONABLY USEFUL, obviously. The AK47 already can do "one headshots" on Gorefasts.

As a lv6 mando who plays on HOE frequently, I can safely say that I do very much love my M4.

Sounds like "I love it!" but not "I love it because...", you know?

The M4 is actually very good, it's a more accurate version of the AK, it has low recoil in burst fire and the mag size is decent.

However having this many guns means you can cater to your needs/wants as a Commando.

Well strangely I find my AK47 more accurate than the M4.

I also play Commando and I've tried the M4 a few times but it just can't replace the AK for me, the AK is my main weapon with the SCAR as backup and the AK feels better, I also love the iron sights.

I only play suicidal and HoE and for me the AK is the better weapon to use. Personal preference.

Sounds something identical to mine, I never stopped using the AK47 since it's exactly like everyone says; even if it's cheap and old and stuff, it's so versatile, it can take nearly anyone out.

On HoE, as lvl6, the M4 decapitates trash in one shot, and has 500 ammo, something no other commando weapon does. It also has a little less recoil than the AK, and supposedly more accuracy.

On every other difficulty, the Bullpup seems far better to me if I want a rifle exclusively for trash zed headshots, and the AK seems slightly better for anything else. M4 can be fun to use and effective, but never quite the most practical choice, I think.

I think if its recoil were more drastically better than the AK's, it could be a useful yet balanced weapon on any difficulty.
32 capacity, (40 at lvl 6) could also be worth considering.

The M4203 doesn't decap trash on sui or hoe with one shot, fires so fast on full auto only that it can be tough to fire a single shot, and recoils enough that at anything but short range, only the first shot hits the head.
Those three things together really hold it back, especially the the lacking damage.

If it had enough damage or headshot bonus to kill trash zeds with a headshot on HoE, I think it would be useful on all difficulties, but overpowered. But if it were otherwise nerfed, say perhaps to 20rd mags, 600 rpm, and maybe even semi auto only, I think it could also be balanced as well as useful on all difficulties.

You mean the ammo or headshots? I'm sure the AK47's headshot damage is higher than M4's, but hey, I have to see the wiki for those damage tests.

Yeah, I'm sure the 32 clip could be better, the M4 looks like, IRONICALLY, a cheaper (but not in price) version of the AK47; Lower damage, higher recoil (yep we are all crazy saying that), higher fire rate and such.

The M4 might as well be a "Marskman Commando"'s favourite weapon, but then you got FN FAL and SCAR.

I prefer M4 instead of AK simply because it has less recoil in semiauto mode which lets me decapitate weaker zeds much faster than the AK. Also, i think that the sight is easier to use.

You sure? When I use semi-auto AK47 it's so accurate, kind of unnaturally accurate I think, but I sure as hell hit those heads better than with the M4. And yes, I did use semi-auto on M4. Also, the sight is personal preference I think, I love ironsights and you love red dots, which I don't.

 

[Azukki]

I was talking about headshots, yeah.

As far as ease of accuracy goes, if you turn off anti aliasing on your graphical options and aim at something bright for a while while standing still, you can notice that the AK, including its sights, sways around a few pixels in a looping animation, like the SCAR and Bullpup. The M4, however, appears to stay perfectly still, and so does the new FAL.

As far as recoil comparison goes, sometime try this.
Point at something, dump a mag, and see how high up you're aiming. Do so with the M4 and AK.
You'll notice that the M4 doesn't wind up pointing up quite as high.
If you also do this with the FAL and SCAR, you'll see that the FAL wins by a LOT. If that's what a 20% increase in weight does for a battle rifle of the same caliber, the difference between 5.56 and 7.62x39 guns of the same weight should be far more than it is.

 

[C_Gibby]

Sounds like "I love it!" but not "I love it because...", you know?

Well I love it because I can aim with it a lot better for long ranges, its semi-auto is deadly accurate, and it rapes trash with headshots. When I'm sticking into my anti-trash role in a good team, I don't even need the SCAR or FAL's extra damage, a headshot from the M4 is more than enough. Not to mention, the M4 has arseloads of ammo more than the AK, SCAR, or FAL.

I treat it like a mini-sniper. It's also cheap as chips, and I find myself being a low-maintenance team member due to not needing so much money, and I can donate money to perks like demos or support specialists who had a bad stroke of luck.

Basically, it's a great anti-trash sniper weapon and I use it a damned lot. But if I'm in some really tense situation where I need more damage ASAP or I'm on the move, I use my AK on full auto. IMO if you use the M4 on full-auto for general use, you're doing it wrong (its fullauto is real fast and great for dropping sirens and husks when focused, so it's not always bad).

M4 for range or solid camping spots, AK for everything else.

Honestly, it's a matter of preference. I can see perfectly why anyone would prefer to use any of the other weapons instead. That's one of the things I like about commando's weapons.

 

[Amber Glass]

Well I love it because I can aim with it a lot better for long ranges, its semi-auto is deadly accurate, and it rapes trash with headshots. When I'm sticking into my anti-trash role in a good team, I don't even need the SCAR or FAL's extra damage, a headshot from the M4 is more than enough. Not to mention, the M4 has arseloads of ammo more than the AK, SCAR, or FAL.

I treat it like a mini-sniper. It's also cheap as chips, and I find myself being a low-maintenance team member due to not needing so much money, and I can donate money to perks like demos or support specialists who had a bad stroke of luck.

Basically, it's a great anti-trash sniper weapon and I use it a damned lot. But if I'm in some really tense situation where I need more damage ASAP or I'm on the move, I use my AK on full auto. IMO if you use the M4 on full-auto for general use, you're doing it wrong (its fullauto is real fast and great for dropping sirens and husks when focused, so it's not always bad).

M4 for range or solid camping spots, AK for everything else.

Honestly, it's a matter of preference. I can see perfectly why anyone would prefer to use any of the other weapons instead. That's one of the things I like about commando's weapons.

meh i dont think FA is "doing it wrong" i never switch any of my assualt rifles to semi as commando, unless i am using scar as my main and combat as my up close and personal weapon. 3 round bursts from the M4 are quite easy to control and are usually enough to drop any trash zed in one burst. the red dot sight is deadly accurate, and lets me make the most out of zed time extensions. i agree that it all comes down to personal preference, you trade damage for a slight increase in accuracy and a larger ammo pool, which IMO is very much worth it.

 

[FDRs Legs]

I used to run with the M4 on semi-auto and can't say I was impressed. Not to say it was bad, just the SCAR filled the role just as well and it was rare to be strapped for cash such that I could only afford the M4.

I then tried burst fire with the M4 and fell in love. It is a unique weapon dynamic that you can't really find in the AK or SCAR. It is of course possible to run with the AK and SCAR in burst mode, but only with the M4 is it as satisfying.

I'd like to see the M4M203 give the commando perk progression.

The FN FAL needs to be made even heavier and given greater recoil. Apart from the weight it is a direct superset to the SCAR.

 

[thresher3253]

You sure? When I use semi-auto AK47 it's so accurate, kind of unnaturally accurate I think, but I sure as hell hit those heads better than with the M4. And yes, I did use semi-auto on M4. Also, the sight is personal preference I think, I love ironsights and you love red dots, which I don't.

For sights, is about personal feeling, i prefer ironsights much more than red dots, but the AK's irosight is unconfortable to me and the M4 red dot lets you shoot zeds even at long ranges due to the small size of the dot.
The M4's low recoil is very useful when there are a lot (and i mean A LOT) of specimens near you and you have very little time to headshot them all, especially when in zed time. Less time spent adjusting the aim means more time to shoot zeds.

 

[Teraku]

How can all of you say that the M4 decaps in one shot? Keep in mind, due to the weapon being horribly flawed as explained here, it fires two shots at once on the first click. So really, it's two shots decap.

That, along with the M4's stats, basically makes the M4 an inferior AK-47 with a Red Dot. No matter what you do with the M4, the AK will always do it better.

 

[C_Gibby]

How can all of you say that the M4 decaps in one shot? Keep in mind, due to the weapon being horribly flawed as explained here, it fires two shots at once on the first click. So really, it's two shots decap.

Heyhey, are you familar with semi-auto mode?

 

[Azukki]

For weapons that don't have semi auto, it's also possible to fire all but one round of the mag, then fire that, to see what a single shot does.

And that doublefire glitch used to not happen online, so people have experience of what a single shot does from then, too.

 

[greenlemonade]

I like the M4 a lot.
Id be happy if they made it weigh 1 less block. As of now, AK47 is better in most situations so why not make M4 lighter. Seems like a realistic option.