Killing Floor 2: Autumn Beta 2 is Live!

[simplecat]

• Insect damage from 40 to 30.

It's no longer applied. Due to changes in KFDT_Explosive_HRG_Locust class, function ApplySecondaryDamage and in KFExplosion_HRG_Locust class (the entire function DoExplosionDamage was removed)

it now applies DOT damage value of whatever initial damage was taken. So it's 60 per rocket explosion and 60 per dot tick.

And now the lingering explosion and DOT do apply their damage at the same time and lingering explosion also refreshes DOT timer
(used to be explosion first, and when its over - DOT secondly). That's kind of a cool change, while damage numbers were lowered, it is still about the same as it was because it now does explosion and DOT damage at the same time.

to make it 30, in KFDT_Toxic_HRG_Locust change DoT_DamageScale=1.0 to 0.5

 

[Kittenmittens]

• Insect damage from 40 to 30.

It's no longer applied. Due to changes in KFDT_Explosive_HRG_Locust class, function ApplySecondaryDamage and in KFExplosion_HRG_Locust class (the entire function DoExplosionDamage was removed)

it now applies DOT damage value of whatever initial damage was taken. So it's 60 per rocket explosion and 60 per dot tick.

And now the lingering explosion and DOT do apply their damage at the same time and lingering explosion also refreshes DOT timer
(used to be explosion first, and when its over - DOT secondly). That's kind of a cool change, while damage numbers were lowered, it is still about the same as it was because it now does explosion and DOT damage at the same time.

to make it 30, in KFDT_Toxic_HRG_Locust change DoT_DamageScale=1.0 to 0.5

Reaching out to team about this. Thanks.

 

[GigaBowserX]

Hey Kitten, I wanted to thank you, and especially Molly, for keeping us up-to-date on things. Molly is currently sifting through and responding to a lot of toxic people over on the Steam forums, which is no easy task. At least there are a few people there who want to provide actual constructive criticism, instead of just complaining.

You guys are doing a great job of getting more involved with improvements and updates, and I hope you can continue to engage the community, even when they are difficult. I'm heartened to see that a lot of things that I personally mentioned in the beta 1 survey are being addressed. Keep up the good work!

 

[Aleflippy]

Wait... You REDUCED the recoil of the G36C??? That thing was already a damn laser, I really can't wrap my head around someone feeling like they couldn't aim with it. And yes, that includes firing from the hip.

I also felt like the Scythe was already pretty powerful with a decent level Zerk... Only rivaled by the gimmicks of other weapons (bonecrusher's protection and knockback, pulverizer's extra explosive damage etc.)

Can't say much about the Dragonblaze and Locust, I believe it's for the best! But we'll see everything hands on

 

[Aze]

HRG Dragonsblaze

• Spare ammo from 48 to 60 (which means total ammo from 52 to 64).

All I really wanted to see, thanks for this much needed buff! <3

 

[Kittenmittens]

Hey Kitten, I wanted to thank you, and especially Molly, for keeping us up-to-date on things. Molly is currently sifting through and responding to a lot of toxic people over on the Steam forums, which is no easy task. At least there are a few people there who want to provide actual constructive criticism, instead of just complaining.

You guys are doing a great job of getting more involved with improvements and updates, and I hope you can continue to engage the community, even when they are difficult. I'm heartened to see that a lot of things that I personally mentioned in the beta 1 survey are being addressed. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the kind words. Little secret, I am Molly. I just had the name Kitten Mittens online first. Getting some solid feedback that we can possibly action on is a priority. I'm glad you see and hope others realize folks like Yoshiro and I poke people for info because we want the best understanding of their experience so we can relay it to the team to help get players what they want.

 

[Kittenmittens]

Wait... You REDUCED the recoil of the G36C??? That thing was already a damn laser, I really can't wrap my head around someone feeling like they couldn't aim with it. And yes, that includes firing from the hip.

I also felt like the Scythe was already pretty powerful with a decent level Zerk... Only rivaled by the gimmicks of other weapons (bonecrusher's protection and knockback, pulverizer's extra explosive damage etc.)

Can't say much about the Dragonblaze and Locust, I believe it's for the best! But we'll see everything hands on

I think it may have been over tuned. It's likely to get adjusted again to add a little bit of the recoil back.

 

[OnionBubs]

Molly is currently sifting through and responding to a lot of toxic people over on the Steam forums, which is no easy task. At least there are a few people there who want to provide actual constructive criticism, instead of just complaining.

If you're referring to the Events & Announcements feeds, then that's nothing new; the KF2 Steam Discussions would be wholeheartedly improved if 90% of the users in that subsection were just banned. Starting with the "whur KF3"/"no new achievements plz "/etc. types.

Seriously, a stickied thread pre-answering those with "Common Complaints: Read this and comment under pain of death" would go a long way towards improving the general signal-to-noise ratio in general. Then just point anyone making useless or common complaints to the F.A.Q. and ban them. Simple as. They won't be missed, and it's not like they were contributing to the board nor the human race at large.

The other subsections at least have some legitimate feedback and discussions going on.

REDUCED the recoil of the G36C??? That thing was already a damn laser

It feels eerily similar to the FAMAS where the vertical recoil is nutter-butters unless you crouch-ADS and then it's completely fine. (Probably not without incident.) It definitely didn't need to be made easier to use or stronger, seeing as it's already a collective skill floor increase for SWAT.

The HRG Locust definitely had it coming. We need fewer do-it-all spam solutions in this game.

 

[o2xVc3UuXp0NyBihrUnu]

If you're referring to the Events & Announcements feeds, then that's nothing new; the KF2 Steam Discussions would be wholeheartedly improved if 90% of the users in that subsection were just banned. Starting with the "whur KF3"/"no new achievements plz "/etc. types.

Bad advice. She already went overboard with bans, banning players who mocked TWI's questionable decisions and TWI's clueless fanboys and I'm referring to this in a polite way in order not to get banned (= I'm self censoring and thus refrain from communicating information that might be important). And TWI isn't accountable here in any way, as there's no moderation log, no moderation history available for public review. I know a few anecdotes, but how many I don't? Have you personally ever heard the scale of the banning on steam discussions? Is there a way to assess it independently? How come that most players don't even know about it?

If one wants honest feedback one should refrain from restricting speech. All garbage is a downside, but one doesn't come without another. Restrictions on speech inevitably lead to moderation abuse, people learn and proceed to self censor.

The state of the game is such that it lacks feedback for a number of reasons: 1) no feedback because of key people in the community are either banned or find it hopeless to tell anything to TWI -- and mind you these people at this point know their game better than whatever is left in TWI to maintain it 2) TWI has no good means to distinguish bad feedback from good because of lack of resources 3) Even whatever feedback they manage to accept still gets oftentimes ignored for years.

The game doesn't need any more restrictions on the feedback loop, it's already bad, no need to make it worse. Allow these people to let the steam off, oftentimes they are right (e.g. on 3 new achievements each season), just don't care much about the way they express it.

 

[Aleflippy]

I think it may have been over tuned. It's likely to get adjusted again to add a little bit of the recoil back.

I actually felt the recoil was already too lenient the first time around. Granted, my SWAT is currently level 23 so he got access to all its major skills. But considering the weapon is already super versatile, I believe it should be THAT EASY to control. It has a handy laser sight, good ROF, good damage... only the mag is a little small (but not unlike other SWAT weapons except the P90), and even that is mitigated once you reach a decent level. If you add the armor-piercing rounds to the mix, it's definitely a T4 that can compete with the Commando's arsenal. Balancing the gun with a bit more recoil would be the least thing you can do so it doesn't totally replace the Vector...

This being said, I had the time to try out the other guns, so here's my quick feedback !

Sickle : It's decent, actually it deals crazy amount of damage if you take the long-ranged option with a few zerk skills. I do believe its gimmick is not as interesting in the end... I don't know how you could make it better, but it's not a game changer at all, especially considering most higher-tiered Zerk weapons have something extra (the explosive damage of the Pulverizer, the defense and knockback of the Bonecrusher etc.) so I think it will be one of those late additions that just lays dormant because it adds nothing of value. It's good, just nothing special. I guess it's a nice bridge between T3s and the Battleaxe.

Locust : It's still absolutely ridiculous for its price. I believe it should be turned into a proper T3 and cost 1100/1200 dosh. It's really a "fire and forget" gun. And once you upgrade it once or twice, you can melt nearly everything. Even a bloat or a quarterpounder can be demolished in a single hit. And the crowd control is ludicrous. It's kinda funny (yet worrying) how the Survivalist started as a weaker version of every other perks and now gets access to some of the most bonkers weaponry available. Its damage should be tweaked again. Or maybe it's mag size? It's AoE ? It's reserve ammo? Anything really. But as it stands, it's just too good. I believe the right mindset would be to make it a formidable trash cleaner, but a poor choice against heavier zeds.

Dragonblaze : I feared it would be yet another insanity in the Firebug's arsenal. But it's actually a pretty decent weapon. Unlike the Sickle, I do see a purpose in both its modes : the horizontal shots are good at crowd control, the vertical one is better against single targets. It actually plays similarly to the real Doomstick too ! In the sense that it can kill priority targets really well, at the cost of emptying your mag on their face. And like most weapons from the perk : it's mad fun to use too. I don't know if I'd forego the versatility of the Incendiary Rifle or the Helios, but it's a nice counterpart. It is indeed very good against nearly everything, but it's low mag makes up for it mostly. Maybe its accuracy could be lowered a little? Considering the vertical line of shots makes for a very potent weapon even at mid-ranges. But that's my only real complain. Its reserve ammo is now more viable, but still a little low for bigger matches. And that's a good thing !

 

[GigaBowserX]

Thanks for the kind words. Little secret, I am Molly. I just had the name Kitten Mittens online first. Getting some solid feedback that we can possibly action on is a priority. I'm glad you see and hope others realize folks like Yoshiro and I poke people for info because we want the best understanding of their experience so we can relay it to the team to help get players what they want.

Ah, that makes sense. Good to know. Yoshi is pretty cool too - I've mostly seen him on here (not as much on Steam), but he's always very helpful.

 

[Milan]

Perhaps locust's damage type should be changed, or adjust damage multipliers for specific zeds

 

[Throwaway516]

If you're trying to buff the blast brawlers to be an alternative to the frost fang for survivalist could you also increase the ammo count on it? It's definitely a lot better but between the weight and that it still just feels worse.

 

[Kittenmittens]

If you're trying to buff the blast brawlers to be an alternative to the frost fang for survivalist could you also increase the ammo count on it? It's definitely a lot better but between the weight and that it still just feels worse.

The buff was intended to get it into a better place for Support.

 

[Milan]

If you're trying to buff the blast brawlers to be an alternative to the frost fang for survivalist could you also increase the ammo count on it? It's definitely a lot better but between the weight and that it still just feels worse.

Yep.. in survivalist's hands, at point blank blast brawlers can kill 6p hoe scrake in full magazine via body damage, very. fast. And if upgraded to tier 5, heavy attack hits just like battleaxe. Yep..

 

[GigaBowserX]

Is there going to be a Beta 2 survey? I have some thoughts I'd like to share.

 

[Skys]

bring back the steampunk outfit pls & ty

 

[Aleflippy]

Yep.. in survivalist's hands, at point blank blast brawlers can kill 6p hoe scrake in full magazine via body damage, very. fast. And if upgraded to tier 5, heavy attack hits just like battleaxe. Yep..

Well yeah, but it still has very meager reserve ammo, with a quirky to-use attack too. The amount of times I got killed with that weapon is kinda ridiculous really, even though it's mad powerful. I just can't wrap my head around it.

(but I'm also very bad at this game ~~~~ )

 

[OnionBubs]

Well yeah, but it still has very meager reserve ammo, with a quirky to-use attack too. The amount of times I got killed with that weapon is kinda ridiculous really, even though it's mad powerful. I just can't wrap my head around it.

(but I'm also very bad at this game ~~~~ )

It's not just you; it's still a funny meme, just one that now happens to actually be more useful than "bottom of the bin."

There's no real reason for anyone to use it over the AA-12/M4/Doomstick standbys other than "fun" and the melee animations still delay the shots on a weapon whose projectiles have travel time.

"Point crosshair at thing, thing dies" is still a solid strategy for good reason.