Killing Floor 2 Autumn Beta 1 Update is Live! Read on to find out what's new and what's changed.

flashn00b · Sep 21, 2023

I still think Acidic Rounds should reduce dart costs by 12.5%. The current changes honestly seem to do more harm than good since your batteries will be split between healing and debuffing. Having slightly lower dart costs should allow you to do both with less trouble

OnionBubs · Sep 21, 2023

flashn00b said:
The current changes honestly seem to do more harm than good

not as far as multiplayer games are concerned, lol

just not using Acidic Rounds in the first place continues to be the meta for good reason, even after this change

Bender the Offender · Sep 21, 2023

I can't access the update right now, but anyone able to tell me what's the damage value of the new machine gun? I'm watching a video of someone use it, and I'm already dreading it's another 30 damage weak as piss machine gun judging by how little damage the gun is doing even with 30% hollow point rounds perk added.

If it truly is weak as piss as the Stoner at BASE damage, but it's a DLC weapon, than what's the point of this weapon even existing?

EDIT: Okay I just reached the point of the video where the person is using the new 93R pistols and now I'm REALLY worried about how weak as piss is the new MG3. The pistols are burst fire, yet are wiping out the exact same enemies significantly faster. Like holy crap! Is the MG3 competing with the MP7 as the new weak as piss weapon in the game now?

DOUBLE EDIT: Okay looking at the video again, I realize the MG3 is actually only 75 rounds. So it has the exact same magazine size as the Stoner too. Okay this isn't looking good at all. Hope I'm wrong when more information comes out, but right now I'm not getting my hopes up outside for the worst DLC weapon since the doshine gun.

simplecat · Sep 21, 2023

Reducto Ray

Reduction effect removal speed x2

Looks like this is only for visual effects of body returning back to normal size, not a game play change.

It still works the same way it used to be. With each hit Reducto Ray adds 100 Shrink Power to ZED's counter. Eeach 100 Shrink Power increase ZED's Current Effect value by certain amount (depends on ZED).

Here's how it works. You hit ZED, 100 Shrink Power is added, Current Effect is increased. If you don't attack ZED, the Shrink Power value start dissipating down from 100 to 0 at rate of -10 / s. Once it hits 0, the Current Effect is reset to 0 and you have to build it up from the scratch. When it reaches 10 ZED dies.

If you want to reduce time during which ZED is under effect of Shrink Ray from 10s (current) to 5s then change this value DissipationRate=10, not RemoveEffectVel=0.5. Current Effect does not go down to 0 constantly, it resets instantly when Shrink Power hits 0.

Just like you did with HRG Head Hunter: DissipationRate was changed from 10 to 50 and now ZED is under effect of this incap for 2 seconds instead of 10.

simplecat · Sep 21, 2023

Acidic Rounds sounds like a nerf:

Now even without this perk HMTech series weapons, Hemogoblin and Healthrower do 5 points of toxic damage per dart hit. HRG Incision - 75. That's a single application of damage, no DOT.

Acidic Rounds doubles impact damage and adds DOT with a total scale of x8 of base damage.

So at best you'll be doing 150 impact 600 DOT, otherwise 10 impact 40 DOT. And ZEDs are rather resistant to toxic damage.

HRG Vampire, Corrupter Carbine, HMTech 501, Knife no longer works. 401 and Hemogoblin now do less damage.

On a side note neither Battle Surgeon nor Zedative skills (+20 and +30% damage) increase DOT damage of Acidic Rounds. Probably intended. Poison power is removed from darts without this skill, which is a welcome change i think.

Bender the Offender · Sep 21, 2023

simplecat said:
Acidic Rounds sounds like a nerf:

Now even without this perk HMTech series weapons, Hemogoblin and Healthrower do 5 points of toxic damage per dart hit. HRG Incision - 75. That's a single application of damage, no DOT.

Acidic Rounds multiplies these values by 8 and makes it a DOT (5s duration, 1s interval).

So at best you'll be doing 600 damage / second, otherwise 40. And ZEDs are rather resistant to toxic damage.

HRG Vampire, Corrupter Carbine, HMTech 501, Knife no longer works. 401 and Hemogoblin now do less damage.

Totally agree. The acidic rounds change sounds like a nerf since they no longer apply to the main fire of the guns.

simplecat · Sep 21, 2023

Bounty Zeds:

according to this comment from script file these ZEDs are supposed to be much more resistant to incaps:
BountyHuntSpecialZedBuffAfflictionResistance=5f, // EXTRA 500% affliction resistance for all Bounty Zeds (from KFWeeklyOutbreak_Event class)

but in KFPawn_Monster it is done like this

if (bIsBountyHuntObjective) // Only on Bounty Hunt Weekly
{
KFGI = KFGameInfo(WorldInfo.Game);

if (KFGI != none && KFGI.OutbreakEvent != none)
{
AfflictionPower -= AfflictionPower * KFGI.OutbreakEvent.ActiveEvent.BountyHuntSpecialZedBuffAfflictionResistance;
}
}

so on hit amount of the affliction power is not reduced by certain % but instead it removes 5 times more than ZED accepts

you can't Incap Bounty ZEDs at all.

Sorry for posting it here, btw, not in bug forum.

simplecat · Sep 22, 2023

Recharge rate of healing darts is completely busted. It's reduced for medic and greatly increased for other classes.

Do not bother understanding this, just show it to a person who did coding

KFWeap_MedicBase, KFWeap_HRG_Healthrower classes.

function StartHealRecharge()
{
local KFPerk InstigatorPerk;
local float UsedHealRechargeTime;
if (!bRechargeHealAmmo)
{
return;
}
// begin ammo recharge on server
if (Role == ROLE_Authority)
{
InstigatorPerk = GetPerk();

UsedHealRechargeTime = HealFullRechargeSeconds;
UsedHealRechargeTime *= static.GetUpgradeHealRechargeMod(CurrentWeaponUpgradeIndex);
UsedHealRechargeTime *= InstigatorPerk.GetHealRechargeMod();

InstigatorPerk.ModifyHealerRechargeTime(UsedHealRechargeTime);
// Set the healing recharge rate whenever we start charging
HealRechargePerSecond = MagazineCapacity[ALTFIRE_FIREMODE] / UsedHealRechargeTime;
HealingIncrement = 0;
}
}

Lets take a look at HMTech-401.

HealFullRechargeSeconds is 10
for some reason it is multiplied by 2 (InstigatorPerk.GetHealRechargeMod()) to 20 (WHY it is multiplied by 2?)
then reduced by medic bonus InstigatorPerk.ModifyHealerRechargeTime(UsedHealRechargeTime) to 6.666
Final value is 100 / 6.666 = 15.

So level 25 medic recharge it slower than off perk.

BUT
For other perk classes GetHealRechargeMod() returns 0.

So recharge rate become infinite. Well at least here what it shows:

Fanta · Sep 22, 2023

One man hard carrying entire QA for the game

simplecat · Sep 22, 2023

Killerwatt

Alt-Fire charge time 30% reduction

I don't remember if it was a thing before this update but right now you can not have 2 full charges from a fresh magazine.

Magazine size is 50 and it takes 25 units of ammo to charge this weapon from level 0 to level 3 (maximum firing duration is 2.5s)
1st charge from 50 down to 25 ammo works but second attempt will not. Charging from 25 down to 0 ammo will only give you level 2, not 3 (firing time of 1.75s).

I think there's a slight mismatch between how weapon consumes ammo and accumulates charge.

Used to be ChargeTimePerLevel = 1.0f; ChargeConsumeTime = 0.12f which is 1/0.12 = 8.333 ammo per level * 3 = 25 ammo for level 3 charge
now it is ChargeTimePerLevel = 0.7f ChargeConsumeTime = 0.082f which is 0.7 / 0.082 = 8.536 ammo per level * 3 = 25.6 ammo per level 3 charge. Consumption is based on timers not on an integer values. Anyway, there's not enough time for the 2nd charge attempt to reach level 3.

simplecat · Sep 22, 2023

Fortitude's 10% extra damage resistance currently does not work:
KFPerk_Support
function ModifyDamageTaken(out int InDamage, optional class<DamageType> DamageType, optional Controller InstigatedBy)

InDamage variable is not assigned with a new value in this function
this line is missing:
InDamage = Round( TempDamage );

Dudmaster · Sep 22, 2023

I won't lie... wish we could be able to look around the trophy room for longer than 30 seconds right before having to fight Hans.

simplecat · Sep 25, 2023

One more detail. You might consider giving Bloat, Husk and Abomination (at least Bloat) an unique resistance % to HRG 93R.

Currently Bloat takes 35% of handgun damage but 65% from 9mm. Since damage type check is gone by name, 93R does not gain such advantage over 9mm.

Kittenmittens · Sep 25, 2023

Bender the Offender said:
Totally agree. The acidic rounds change sounds like a nerf since they no longer apply to the main fire of the guns.

In a way it can be seen as such. It's due to feedback about how problematic that skill is by causing poison panic on every weapon. Players did not like teammates choosing this skill because of the additional challenge it introduces by making zed movement less predictable. Now, the poison effect will be concentrated on the darts, giving more control over it's use. But we are aware that the darts need more adjustment to make this skill better.

Jacks-nightmare · Sep 25, 2023

Thank you, Tripwire, for all the years you have brought content to the fans of your games, I look forward to joining the next edition to the family.

cant wait for this update on.

flashn00b · Sep 25, 2023

Kittenmittens said:
In a way it can be seen as such. It's due to feedback about how problematic that skill is by causing poison panic on every weapon. Players did not like teammates choosing this skill because of the additional challenge it introduces by making zed movement less predictable. Now, the poison effect will be concentrated on the darts, giving more control over it's use. But we are aware that the darts need more adjustment to make this skill better.

I'm still of the mindset that Acidic Rounds healing darts should cost less. A dart that's being used for debuffing is a dart that's not being used to heal, so being able to spend less time to use your next 1-2 darts would be much appreciated in this context.

Bender the Offender · Sep 25, 2023

Kittenmittens said:
In a way it can be seen as such. It's due to feedback about how problematic that skill is by causing poison panic on every weapon. Players did not like teammates choosing this skill because of the additional challenge it introduces by making zed movement less predictable. Now, the poison effect will be concentrated on the darts, giving more control over it's use. But we are aware that the darts need more adjustment to make this skill better.

While I of course appreciate you guys considering input from the fans, I also believe it's best to ignore the dumb fans. As I mentioned this in another thread, this wasn't that hard to solve. They could've easily select the left hand skill if this was such a problem. There great mystery solved. The right hand skills of medic I always thought were more designed to be for solo play anyways. Now it feels useless because it struggles to kill even the weakest of enemies that you might as well have given Medic a skill to throw mud into the zeds eyes because it's about as effective.

Honestly the complaints sounds like they come from the players who also try to get Firebugs and Demolitionists banned from games, in which case screw those players. It's just like movies and TV. There are legit criticism from fans, but there's also just as much if not more entitled idiots who thinks everything must be changed to fit their specific needs despite there's tons of lesser known movies and TV shows that gives them exactly those things, but dammit, ALL movies and TV shows must be about them.

Please change this skill back and simply tell players use the left handed skill if this is SO HARD for them to work around. Though honestly I roll my eyes at players who can't headshot moving enemies with a mouse. Try headshotting zombies in Resident Evil 2 remake with a controller because I'm playing them the world's smallest violin right now.

simplecat · Sep 30, 2023

Another little detail:

Like other dual mag fed pistols, Dual HRG 93Rs do have half-empty reload animation for a situation when 1 gun is dry but the other still holds ammo but it never occurs in the game, neither it is visually displayed (pistol slide stays closed)

simulated function name GetReloadAnimName(bool bTacticalReload)
checks whether remaining ammo is equal to 1, but since fewest loaded ammo 93R holds is 3, this half empty animation never shows.

simplecat · Oct 1, 2023

Unlike Commando's Tactician skill (during ZED Time reload in real time), Support's Penetrator
- does not work with AltReload state (can't fast reload Masterkey of Famas or emp grenade of S12)
- does not work with single and dual 9mm / 93r

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