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G3 for Commando

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#21
Once again, tha MediC can be relied upon to completely miss the point.

tha MediC said:
You do realise that with the stats you gave the G3, it would be bloody pointless.

Double the damage but half the magazine capacity? Rofl Wtf is the point in that haha, Bullpup = better.

The bullpup does roughly 40 damage a bullet,
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Uh, no. If you'd read the stats I posted on this very page, you'd know it does 16-26 damage.

40 x 40 = 1600, ergo you are doing 1600 damage with a single magazine, and the bullpup has a capacity of 10 magazines. and 1600 x 10 = 16,000.

10 mag = 16,000 damage
100 mag = 160,000 damage
1000 mag = 1,600,000 damage

It takes on average 3 or so seconds to empty one magazine.

3s = 1 mag
30s = 10 mag
300s (5 minutes) = 100 mag
3000s (50 minutes) = 1000 mag

I've already emptied at least 1000 or so magazines, and im only at 1.7 mill damage with the bullpup.

Damnit i went offtopic :D but anyway, i'd love a G3, a full version anyway, no fancy spec-ops butt-plate/stock But with the spec's you gave it it isnt an upgrade at all.

Give it 90 damage a bullet with 20 shot capacity, and it will be worth it.
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Never have I seen so much math be used to express so little.

The point isn't to do more overall damage than the bullpup, or "more damage per magazine" or some crap like it. It's to do more damage in a short period of time, dealing with as many threats as quickly as possible and reloading later. And having a greater effective range, being more accurate. The FAL, if you can get sufficient rounds on target (which would take a good amount of skill, considering the recoil [which would be reduced with the commando perk anyway]), then it should do quite a lot more damage per second than the L22.
 
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AXEL said:
They are too easy, as level 3 support I get the hunting shotgun after the first round.

As per the thread I'm not sure about twice the firepower of the pup. I think a nice HK91 would do much better. A 5 round box mag so it doesn't hold as much as the lever action, and only semi auto fire so it doesn't infringe upon the bullpup.
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Ewww? Five round box mag? This isn't California. 20 rounds and semi-auto would be fine. The Recoil would slow people down from trying to shoot like a maniac. I still like the G3 idea more than the Hk91 though, since G3s are actually in Britain, where as HK91s would have to be smuggled in somehow.
 
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I'm not sure. A FAL like Zeptorem is suggesting sounds nice, but so does a G3, but both these weapons seem to be just about equal to the Bullpup's role just with different statistics. I've also seen more of the FN FA(i)L and the G3ACK3 than I can begin to tell.

The problem is: Half the ammo, yet double the power?

It just means it's about the same thing with a different play style. You'll simply need to conserve more ammo and you'll run slower; the higher recoil doesn't matter because nobody full autos stupidly in this game anyway. It won't fill too much of a different role than the Bullpup already does, which is long range, sustained fire support. Of course it might be better close range, but that's only if it was given an unrealistic advantage to where close range rapid fire would be useful.

A high cost machine gun with less than 250 rounds, high amount of weight, high recoil, high ROF, more stable when crouched, but around the same amount of a damage as the Bullpup. It would fill a completely different role, as a close to mid range, fully automatic support weapon. An entire team would want to be behind the MG because it can mow down everything small and mid-size while the men behind it can snipe fleshpounds, sirens, and crawlers.

As a Commando you would have less recoil and better accuracy and reload time, thus filling the role of the wave mower.

Just a unique machine gun. I don't like the idea of an L85/SA80 variant anymore than I like the idea of a PKM or M249, those guns exist in every game. An old WW2 Bren gun would definately kick ***, but it wouldn't have the ammo count I'm looking for (unless it was somehow fed by a belt mag.)
 
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Zeptorem said:
Wall of text blah blah blah i'm a ******
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And yet you missed the point completely, if the weapon has Double the damage of the bullpup, yet half the magazine capacity it is pretty much stupid and pointless, The 9mm does more damage than the Bullpup for christ sake.

Oh wait now you're going to go into the .uc files and prove me wrong yet correct :)

If commando gets a new weapon, it needs to be atleast triple the Bullpup's damage to actually make it worthwhile, or atleast double with minimal damage in the 50's.

Slower firing rate and reload times sure, but not half the magazine, that's just silly.

Philo, you don't like the idea of a modern day mg or ar, yet you love the idea of an outdated ww2 weapon which you will not find in military/police use...

Go back to RO please, and stay there.
 
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tha MediC said:
And yet you missed the point completely, if the weapon has Double the damage of the bullpup, yet half the magazine capacity it is pretty much stupid and pointless, The 9mm does more damage than the Bullpup for christ sake.

Oh wait now you're going to go into the .uc files and prove me wrong yet correct :)

If commando gets a new weapon, it needs to be atleast triple the Bullpup's damage to actually make it worthwhile, or atleast double with minimal damage in the 50's.

Slower firing rate and reload times sure, but not half the magazine, that's just silly.

Philo, you don't like the idea of a modern day mg or ar, yet you love the idea of an outdated ww2 weapon which you will not find in military/police use...

Go back to RO please, and stay there.
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Neither the G3 or FAL were designed before or during WWII.

PS: I reported you.
 
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Edelweiss said:
Neither the G3 or FAL were designed before or during WWII.

PS: I reported you.
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Well THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! - You clearly need to read the post again, He said that he likes the idea of a outdated ww2 gun being in the game yet current, modern day weapons not being in the game. Right

PS: I reported you too.
 
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The reason he doesnt want the modern weapons in, if you bothered to read the post carefully, is they have been in too many games already, i quote "those guns exist in every game"

tha MediC... so what if the WW2 guns are outdated, theyre common in museums and with collectors, and the crossbow is much more outdated, as is the winchester.. so what does it matter, this ISNT realistic.

A WW2 weapon like the Bren, or the SMLE would be interesting, something out of the ordinary, and would suit the game for the setting in Britain. Bren for the commando, with upgrades in commando's perks would be great.
 
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#31
Indeed. I find myself using the shotgun more than the bullpup late-game simply because it doesnt have the "umph!" that the shotgun has against larger targets. Using the bullpup anywhere from 7 to 14 rounds straight tends to get old and ineffective quick, so I also opt for a more powerful, specialist weapon.
 
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LemoN said:
would render the winchester totally useless
7.62x51 has more stoppingpower than whatever the winchester shoots, would have a higher accuracy and a higher fireing rate
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Well..what does the Winchester fire? Cause you know...I have a creepy feeling that it is firing either .30-30 Winchester or .30-06 Springfield.
.30-30 Winchester is 7.62x51R mm. Same...caliber as 7.62x51 NATO except for a rimmed case.
.30-06 Springfield or 7.62x63mm. Hmm..that's bigger than 7.62x51 NATO isn't it?
Unless the winchester is firing something as stupid as a .44Magnum then yeh...overpowering it is not a concern. However, considering the 10 round capacity..it might be an issue.
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=129640638

Zeptorem said:
The original does. Battle rifles are essentially unusable in full auto, which would only be useful at extreme close range.
I'd rather see the FAL. The G3's in too many games as it is; the right arm of the free world needs some love too.
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Mm FAL. I love H&K but the FAL reigns supreme. And yeh, the full auto is good for 2 things. Quick 2-4 round bursts..or upclose panic firing. Other than that..the recoil is an issue. And hey..what luck..FAL=L1A1 last I checked so it fits in the game. Woot. More love for the FAL needed.

AXEL said:
Well what I was going for was more powerful than the lever action, but with less ammo.

EDIT: The FAL would be nice, but 20 rounds per magazine is a bit much.
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-.- Not really. And we aren't in California so don't mess with magazines thanks.
 
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Cypher said:
Well..what does the Winchester fire? Cause you know...I have a creepy feeling that it is firing either .30-30 Winchester or .30-06 Springfield.
.30-30 Winchester is 7.62x51R mm. Same...caliber as 7.62x51 NATO except for a rimmed case.
.30-06 Springfield or 7.62x63mm. Hmm..that's bigger than 7.62x51 NATO isn't it?
Unless the winchester is firing something as stupid as a .44Magnum then yeh...overpowering it is not a concern. However, considering the 10 round capacity..it might be an issue.
[url]http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=129640638[/URL]
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Gotta make a correction on this quote. 30-30 Winchester is not in the same league as 7.62x51 (.308) if you wanna get into technicalities and kinetic energy then the 30-30 Win is considerably less powerful at the same bullet weight compared to the .308

30-30 Winchester - 1,903 ft
 
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#35
a winchester isnt able to fire a .30-06 because those are not able to be loaded and fired safe from an tubular magazine

and the .30-30 is nowhere near the leage of a .308
neither in accuracy stoppingpower or trajectory

and you should learn that caseleinght and roundsize isnt everything ;)
best example: a .38 special has a way longer case than a 9x19mm and the same bulletdiameter and normally an evenly weighted bullet

still the 9x19 is way more powerfull

esspecially rounds designed for blackpowder (like the .38 special and .30-30) have a huge case but normally not that much power :)
 
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