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Battle of the Bolt Action

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#41
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I am the opposite. With bolt actions, it's a matter of getting used to the sights. I can hit moving targets the best with the K98 and often surprise myself with my reflexes. However, the Mosin's sights are a little different and I rarely have the same sort of 'reflex' action I have with the K98.

I am lvl50 K98 and lvl 46 or so with the Mosin.
 
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#47
Nobex said:
In real life mosin has very slow bolt i think.:IS2:
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Mosin Nagant Speed Shooting and Remedial Action Drills - YouTube

This is with cosmoline sticking the bolt (which is why he keeps getting jams) Cosmoline has been added to many Nagants to be stored after the war, this is the reason why the Nagant tends to get a reputation for a sticky or 'slow' bolt. As you can see from the video even with a sticky bolt, it can fire rather quickly.
here's a newer mauser speed shooting
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC3zsPOIYag" target="_blank">Czech 8mm Mauser - 10 Round Rapid Fire - YouTube

IRL the K98 is a better rifle, but in RO2 the Nagant has the K98 beat IMO. The Nagant has more damage, along with the other 7.62x54r weapons in the game, and this causes you to get more one hit kills with the Nagant, which is why I find it superior, that and the sights are a little quicker for me.
I generally prefer the Russian weapons with the exception the the German AT rifle, and MG34.

Just for S&G's this is how fast the British SMLE can fire. It's got them both beat.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiajgOeKOKU" target="_blank">Speed of the SMLE - YouTube

Just for reference. All my RO2 weapons are lvl50 with the exception of the AT rifles.
 
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#49
Cwivey said:
Grab a Katana as an American and run around with it above your head and you die 80% of the time to TK's. :p
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On the upside, many Japanese won't shoot. I once got 7 katana kills in a row as Allied due to that fact. You'd think the lack of crazed Japanese battle cries would give you away, but apparently not.

As for bolt action, any are acceptable. But I'm not very fond of the Springfield. The iron sights all kinda blend together making it tricky to take reflex shots. The peep sight on the 99 isn't ideal for ranged combat, but it easily allows snap shots at close range at least.

I voted for the Type 38 though. Ok so it really isn't better than the others. In fact damage wise it's the oddball. But I like the sight, and it feels kinda nice. I especially like the sniper version of it (that's in the patch beta as I type this).
 
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#51
i just made a compilation of all the rifle, smg and mg iron sights (20 in total):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/bifutake/gamezdin/ro2-rsironsights.jpg~original


i really dislike the sights on the garand and especially on the m1 carbine. that thing surrounding the actual sights, is it called a sight hood? yeah, i think they're too thick on these two weapons. they make me feel insecure about what's going on just to the sides of where i'm aiming.

the japanese mg, type 96 and the type 99, is just awful imho. visibility is bad, mag capacity is low, recoil is high. i just don't see any benefits in it, compared to the m1919.

regarding the bolt-actions, i feel most comfortable with the mosin, since it's the only weapon i've got at level 50 as of yet. my kar98 is at level 41. that being said, by comparing the two side-by-side, maybe the kar98 has a slight edge because of the position of its bolt receiver lock (i hope that's what it's called). see, it's pointing downwards, which gives you a bit more awareness of what's happening in front of you.

but they're all very deadly when in the hands of a person that knows how to use them. that one aspect plays, in my opinion, the most crucial role.


edit, backup link on steam: http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/595890204007065468/0275535C9AFE84CE8F1E9C89C5758D5B359CC84D/
 
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#52
bifutake said:
i just made a compilation of all the rifle, smg and mg iron sights (20 in total):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/bifutake/gamezdin/ro2-rsironsights.jpg~originalhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/bifutake/gamezdin/ro2-rsironsights.jpg~original


i really dislike the sights on the garand and especially on the m1 carbine. that thing surrounding the actual sights, is it called a sight hood? yeah, i think they're too thick on these two weapons. they make me feel insecure about what's going on just to the sides of where i'm aiming.

the japanese mg, type 96 and the type 99, is just awful imho. visibility is bad, mag capacity is low, recoil is high. i just don't see any benefits in it, compared to the m1919.

regarding the bolt-actions, i feel most comfortable with the mosin, since it's the only weapon i've got at level 50 as of yet. my kar98 is at level 41. that being said, by comparing the two side-by-side, maybe the kar98 has a slight edge because of the position of its bolt receiver lock (i hope that's what it's called). see, it's pointing downwards, which gives you a bit more awareness of what's happening in front of you.

but they're all very deadly when in the hands of a person that knows how to use them. that one aspect plays, in my opinion, the most crucial role.


edit, backup link on steam: http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/595890204007065468/0275535C9AFE84CE8F1E9C89C5758D5B359CC84D/http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/595890204007065468/0275535C9AFE84CE8F1E9C89C5758D5B359CC84D/
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No PTRS :( It seems everyone is forgetting that rifle when it comes to comparing them all.
 
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#53
perhaps because it's so ineffective in its primary anti-tank role? in all my >200 hours of gameplay, i've only once witnessed it actually killing a tank. which i was driving/commanding. it was either on bridges of druzhina or pavlov's house, i can't remember now.

it's come to the point where, if i get a chance, i tend to drop the at-rifle and go kamikaze with an at-grenade instead.

maybe i'll add it when i compile the sniper rifles (with their scopes attached and detached).
 
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#54
regarding the bolt-actions, i feel most comfortable with the mosin, since it's the only weapon i've got at level 50 as of yet. my kar98 is at level 41. that being said, by comparing the two side-by-side, maybe the kar98 has a slight edge because of the position of its bolt receiver lock (i hope that's what it's called). see, it's pointing downwards, which gives you a bit more awareness of what's happening in front of you.
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come to think of it, the avatar's left hand grip on the kar98 kinda hinders player's visibility. it pretty much outweighs the whole bolt lock advantage, doesn't it? yeah, i think this is the reason why i'll always grab a mosin, if i get the option between the two. alongside the immersion factor.
 
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#55
bifutake said:
perhaps because it's so ineffective in its primary anti-tank role? in all my >200 hours of gameplay, i've only once witnessed it actually killing a tank. which i was driving/commanding. it was either on bridges of druzhina or pavlov's house, i can't remember now.
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I have well over 50 vehicle kills with the AT rifles.
It's quite effective against tanks if you aim for the right spots. I have gotten multiple, 1 hit kills with both the PTRS and the German AT rifle.
 
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#57
bifutake said:
perhaps because it's so ineffective in its primary anti-tank role? in all my >200 hours of gameplay, i've only once witnessed it actually killing a tank. which i was driving/commanding. it was either on bridges of druzhina or pavlov's house, i can't remember now.

it's come to the point where, if i get a chance, i tend to drop the at-rifle and go kamikaze with an at-grenade instead.

maybe i'll add it when i compile the sniper rifles (with their scopes attached and detached).
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I got about over 100 tank kills with the ptrs (not with the easy peasy pzb :p kinda catchy) as may see in my sig as my favorite weapon (not really, its the ptrd but close enough). And its not THAT hard to achieve tank kills with it. If a soviet tanker hits around the barrel area with its main gun, most likely your shots will be able to penetrate and kill the commander.
 
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#59
bifutake said:
in most people's hands, it's completely ineffective. i've tried aiming for the right spots every time i picked it up. maybe i even slightly damaged some tanks. but as to scoring a kill or at least knocking its tracks off, i'm absolutely clueless.
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Don't try to knock the tracks off, it's a waste of ammo and time. Go for critical engine hits if you want to be effective. Also make sure you hit the tank's armor, as close to 90 degrees/perpendicular as possible. If you hit it on too much of an angle the bullets can deflect off the armor.
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