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A more realistic AT and Engineer loadout?

Yes the Soviets had access to lots of Panzerfausts but they were all sent back to the Soviet Union for analysis. (I will look for this source. I read this a while ago) I have not come across anything to suggest that they used the Panzerfaust even late in the war so unless someone has some evidence that states it clearly and directly (no inferring from pics or statements ect.) then I dont think that the Soviets should get any Panzerfausts.

The first such weapons achieved service status in 1942-44 with American, British and German armies, as the M1 Bazooka, PIAT and Panzerfaust / Panzerschreck respectively. The Soviet army adopted its first antitank grenade launcher only in 1947, and circa 1961 it adopted probably the most famous, effective yet simple weapon in its class – the RPG-7
(http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl00-e.htm)
All I could come up with at 2:33 AM but later I'll try to find more. Yawn
 
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Well yeah, and on top of that, including "captured" equipment really entails a lot more than just PF's - many German soldiers towards the end of the war were using captured PPSh SMG's because they were more effective, for instance. And I'm sure more than a few Red Army soldiers had trophy lugers or STG 44's.
However, it seems a little odd to consider this a strategy-defining feature, as the Panzerfaust may be considered to be.
Instead, maybe we could have more "generic" AT weapons scattered around towns, like bundled grenades or generic explosives, which could still be used against tanks at close range (from above, where the armor is pretty thin and the grenade could damage the engine, or tossed underneath the tank, where the armor is almost non-existant and the weapon could easily destroy the tank). Add to this the option for more normal, non "AT" soldiers to carry light AT weapons like grenades, and tanks still cannot venture into towns unescorted by infantry, but we don't have a billion PF's flying around from both sides.
 
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many German soldiers towards the end of the war were using captured PPSh SMG's because they were more effective

Captured PPSH 41's yes but that was mostly early Barbarossa when the Germans captured thousands of Soviet weapons because they captured huge amounts of territory.(Hense the weapon shortage at Stalingrad) By the wars end they were using whatever they could get like the MP 3008 (German sten)

And I'm sure more than a few Red Army soldiers had trophy lugers or STG 44's.

Actually believe it or not the Luger (P08-Parabellum) was issued to Red Army soldiers. I think they bought a bunch of them off the Germans in WW1 or for their Revoultion. Not sure if its the 9mm verison but it most likely was.

but we don't have a billion PF's flying around from both sides

Agreed!:)
 
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hm, id love to see the Assistant or Supporter Class, since there some types that usualy never operated alone, unseen that noone should.

The machinegunner had one who helped carrying the Ammo around, wich where nearly impossible to do alone seen the rate of fire and else equipment needed (second barrel and if given, a pot cradle) while the gun alone weigts around 12kg on its own. they worked together when it was time to change belt, barrel or breechblock. as well he worked as spotter in the heat of fire.

also the squadleader had a guy following him around, but he has no special equipment, exept a pencil and paper maybe.

snipers usualy had a spoter.

the anti tank guys had one helping carring the ammo and securing him while having the panzerschreck in use.

here only spoken for the germans, cause im not used to the typical infantry squad of the russians, but im almost sure they worked a similar way.
as it goes in the game, the supporter class should be able to choose what type of stuff they get, ammo, barrel, panzerschreck, binocular at the cost of else equipment like reduced amount of ammo for the main weapon, grenades or no secondary gun.
 
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It would be nice if you could choose more elaborate equipement on the class selecton screen.

As an example, without having a "MG assitant" class, any rifleman or assault guy could choose to carry a single nade and an extra ammo belt instead of the usual 2 grenades. The he could ressupply the MG twice or maybe 3 times.
 
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