Appeal to TWI about artillery

[Tiger2]

I find point and click artillery inconsistent with the nature of RO. Here is a suggestion for artillery:

When the leader takes out a map and clicks anywhere on a map where he wants artillery to fall he has to also specify angle (i.e. 45 degrees). Based on the setting, the rounds will overshoot, undershoot or fall on target.

The commander will aslo have information where the mortars are positioned relative to the battlefield and how far away they are (i.e. 2 km away). The geograhpical positions of mortars will be varied for each new round so that it is impossible to know a set angle for an area with hindsight after playing a round once.

 

[LemoN]

This would lead to an insane amount of teamkills.

 

[Tiger2]

This would lead to an insane amount of teamkills.

No. Firstly you can have training. Secondly each artillery piece will work by a formula where an angle setting = range. If somebody TKs, it will be the same as now, they are kicked/removed from CO role and somebody else takes it.

But as a RO fan you have to admit that this finally adds a learning curve and tactical elements into the use of artillery.

 

[LemoN]

But as a RO fan you have to admit that this finally adds a learning curve and tactical elements into the use of artillery.

Of course, but it will STILL result in loads of teamkills, as RO doesn't offer the possibility to stay 1km away from incoming arty.

Now in game like ArmA it's a different thing, we abstain from using an artillery computer and use our own range-tables we have calculated.

Makes everything way more interesting and challenging and also ends in mortar support taking ca 5 minutes as opposed to 5 seconds.

 

[Tiger2]

Imagine how satisfying it will be to land artillery right on the tank's turret from skill and experience. You know the guns are 7.5 km away from the tank by adding up the distance from the tank on the map + the distance outside of the map to the guns. You select a setting i.e. 37 degrees and the rounds fall. Note that the rounds can completely fly over the map and land outside of the map if a wrong setting is specified.

 

[LemoN]

Imagine how satisfying it will be to land artillery right on the tank's turret from skill and experience. You know the guns are 7.5 km away from the tank by adding up the distance from the tank on the map + the distance outside of the map to the guns. You select a setting i.e. 37 degrees and the rounds fall. Note that the rounds can completely fly over the map and land outside of the map if a wrong setting is specified.

I understand what you are saying and I know how satisfying it is, but RO simply isn't the game for this kind of stuff.

Play ArmA2 if you want this, but in RO it's just going to result in a lot of TK's, kicks and frustration.

 

[Tiger2]

Here is a different version of my artillery ranging system which gives assistance to the player:

The CO clicks on the map where he wants the rounds to fall and a rough angle setting is produced for him by the computer. With this setting the rounds will not necessarily fall exactly on the target area. The CO can slightly adjust this measure (i.e increase/decrease by 1-2 degrees) or leave it as it is. The more skilled players can work out what exact setting is needed depending on range and always get the rounds on the right spot. This can be used for public games, but for private clan games no assistance is needed for the player.

EDIT: Artillery can also be refused to the CO if there are too many friendlies close to the target area.

 

[Mormegil]

It could easily be abused.

Someone can mark a spot, and purposefully overshoot to hit an area he can't yet mark with artillery.

The reason TWI made arty marking done with binoculars (besides making it easier), rather than grid references, is so you can't start artying right outside the spawn exit from the start of the round. You need to be able to see where your target in order to mark it.

With your system, you could simply mark off an intended hidden target, and overshoot with the angle to hit your intended hidden target.

 

[Tiger2]

There are only limited strikes that you get. You would not be able to hit on the first shot, you would have to zero in first.

 

[Lucan946]

I think this could be a cool feature as long as an extensive single player training mission was provided for it. Otherwise, you'd just get ****ed when you call in artillery at 16 degrees and 12 team kill messages pop up.

 

[=GG= Mr Moe]

I could be wrong, but wouldn't a normal process be that the commander puts in a request for artillery and if approved, its the guys (way) behind the lines manning the guns that are responsible for placing the arty where it was called for?

I assume we are skipping the spotting request and correction and going straight into FFE (fire for effect)

 

[TodSky]

This suggestion is stupid for the following reason. It is not the job of an infantry company commander to lay on the guns! That’s what battery commanders and gunners are for. The kompanief

 

[Lucan946]

This suggestion is stupid for the following reason. It is not the job of an infantry company commander to lay on the guns! That

 

[Tiger2]

But neither is it realistic to ask for fire by clicking on the map. Take it as if the player plays both for CO and the artillery operator in that instance when he is setting the angle.

 

[Nicholas]

This suggestion is stupid for the following reason. It is not the job of an infantry company commander to lay on the guns! That

 

[Tiger2]

Nicholas, that is not what he said. We are talking about setting an angle for the guns to fire at. What you are using (mortars/guns) plays no importance in this thread.

 

[Nicholas]

Nicholas, that is not what he said. We are talking about setting an angle for the guns to fire at. What you are using (mortars/guns) plays no importance in this thread.

But like the guy said its not the commanders job to angle artillery, he just says where on the map, in fact the squad leaders say where and all the commander does is go up to the radio and say a bunch of stuff in Russian or German.

Some guy behind the lines does the angling, the arty system is already a little unrealistic albeit necessary.