Now that it's in a more playable state I can finally evaluate the game on what it actually is.
Before we go any further, I am going to tell you that I am assuming that you believe you are trying to be fair to the game, but that you won't be, because you won't be able to separate "bad design decisions for the game" from "bad design decisions for DingDong".
It's human nature that if you try to do something well, and in the past have been successful doing it, you will resist accepting that it is your style that is the problem rather than game mechanics. I may be wrong, but I bet most of your complaints have nothing to do with bad design decisions and everything to do with you not being able to adapt to them, regardless of whether they are good, bad or indifferent.
We shall see.
Personally, I don't have some kind of obsession with realism, or arcade or "casual" to me it's all about the gameplay.
A realistic game doesn't control the game play... the players do. If the game is controlling stuff like that, it is doing it by artificially limiting good players, and artificially helping bad players, so that the skill level of the players has less effect on the game and more people have fun with it.
It's more fun, but then it is no better than playing dice. You are relying on random number generators to save you, and to be kind to you when you are shooting. I like games of skill, not games of chance. People who don't have a lot of skill are usually the opposite. The believe it is more skilful to try and beat a random number generator, than a human being.
The largest issue I noticed initially is the small map size which has a lot of consequences
Yes, it does, but none of them are fatal to the game itself. The battles are faster simply because you start the round at the "jumping off" point where you start the final assault, rather than further back so that you can choose how you approach the enemy.
Your strategy is essentially pre-chosen for you, but that doesn't mean it should be harder to carry it out. In the real world you don't get to do just whatever you want, you are told where to go and when and that is what you do. So here you are being told what to do and being expected to carry it out. Not given a scenario and then told to plan how you would win it. How is already decided. Cap the points in order, kill more of them, than you. No need to think about the bigger picture, just do it.
The maps are, compared to RO1, extremely small which means that any defense type of map is a nightmare.
This is why you never assume how you perceive something is how it actually is. Being close like this is what makes it hard on the attackers too. You are sitting well within MG range no matter where you are on the map, so every time you spawn, you are at risk of coming immediately under fire.
The spawn points are limited, so I know where and when you will be coming and I am in a prepared position waiting for you. Small maps are better for the defending team because they are closer to the cap too, and they don't have to try and push forward if they don't want to. They can choose how much of the map they will hold and how much they will give up. The defender wins by not being moved unless he wants to move, and tight maps make that easier.
Artillery simply clears a point every time, that's it , period, this wasn't the case in RO1 where the much larger points meant that artillery could at best limit the options for the defending team, but not effectively wipe them out.
Stop camping then. It's that simple. In a world that has artillery and air power, static defence is asking to be killed. Neither the Germans or the Russians really would have sat on a cap zone and waited. If the enemy isn't attacking me, then I will be attacking the enemy.
If he isn't pushing out of his spawn into the cap, then I will be pushing out of the cap into his spawn. Your goal is to drive the attackers back, not just stop them at the gate.
The ultimate defence is to push so far forward that the enemy can't even leave his spawn. He's so busy trying to survive, he hasn't got time to attack the cap. Just like camping the cap zone is a valid tactic, so is eventually trapping and camping the enemy in spawn. It's simply an indication that the defenders have overwhelmed the attackers, and they are very close to losing the round.
So if all you do is sit at the cap and "defend" it, you are not doing anything but give the enemy free kills, either from sniping or artillery. If you are in the cap and there are no enemies in sight, push forward. Set up where he would normally set up to assault the cap. Now he has to assault THAT position first. If you push him back from there, push forward again. Keep doing it.
You can always go back to the cap if it is directly threatened, AND you will be coming from behind the enemy who is threatening it, from between him and his reinforcements. So by being in that position you are defending the cap in depth. You are not giving up an inch of ground if you can help it, and you are dominating more of the battlefield by positioning rather than by fire.
You have learned that heavy weapons can smash through most defensive positions. If they know where you are, they will kill you. The cap zone is marked on the map, and the enemy knows you want to keep it. So why be surprised that you get hit with artillery or that the arty is effective? That is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.
'You' (generalisation) run into the middle of ground zero, crouch, and then wait to die, then you complain that the enemy's weapons were too effective. It wasn't the weapons that got you killed, it was your tactics.
In RO2 seeing arty blow up a whole team isn't rare and it isn't their fault - if they spread out the point would be promptly taken and then they'd almost certainly have to retreat.
Not so. You have simply become too used to bad game mechanics compensating for bad tactics. You have come to expect the game to protect you from your own mistakes. You never bunch up in the real world because that allows artillery etc to kill more of you at once, easier. In the game it works the same way. You are dying because you are bunching up, not because the artillery is too powerful. That is YOUR fault, not the game's.
This is what I meant when I started. YOU SUCK, SO YOU BLAME THE GAME. I know it sounds insulting, but it's true. You are doing the wrong things then complaining when they go wrong. You aren't just saying the game is harder, you are saying the game is BROKEN because YOU can't do something. That is a childish attitude, and I expected it before I even read what you had to say.
Let me put it this way: You are obviously having problems, or you wouldn't be complaining. So something is wrong, either the game is broken, or your tactics are broken.
Which one can YOU control? Moaning at the devs does nothing because even if the devs agree with you, they have to get the game bug free before they start trying to address subtle balance issues. The ONLY thing YOU can control is how you play the game.
So stop blaming the game and learn to play it. Even if it is totally unrealistic, you CAN learn to deal with the quirks of THIS game, if you stop trying to force the game to be ANOTHER game. It's the only practical thing to do.
Yes, but a rifleman's tactical choices are limited, his best option is always to simply pop out, fire a round, hide and then keep doing so.
Bollocks. There you go again. Nothing in the game stops me from running and gunning with the bolt action, and I do it VERY well. I run into rooms full of automatic riflemen and SMGers and kill them all one by one simply by using movement to throw off their aim when they are shooting and to confuse them and maybe even get them shooting at each other. That was BEFORE I got the bayonet.
YOU are the problem, not the GAME. It's that simple.
Even in CoD style games I am trying to fire no more than 1 shot at a time from anything but the gun. 1 aimed shot ALWAYS beats 10 unaimed shots. So it doesn't matter what weapon I have in my hands. My tactics work for EVERY weapon. Yours don't work period.
You know how you feel like you are getting owned all the time? The people doing that to you have EXACTLY THE SAME RULES. How come they were able to beat you under the same conditions you weren't able to beat them?
In the end rifles are just an inferior weapon to hand out to people who are late to the party
Artists never blame their tools. If that is your attitude, then I know I can beat you no matter what weapons we are carrying. I adapt to the weapon rather than demanding the weapon be adapted to me.
I have stood upright in the open and taken 3 aimed shots at deployed MG's or hiding riflemen or running SMGers or... it doesn;t matter. They all die the same way... they are spraying and ducking and diving and getting absolutely NOWHERE near me. And I am just calmly standing there adjusting my aim until you die. Usually it's no more than 3 shots.
Most people die because they simply have no idea about the basics. When you are sitting dead still, your rifle is a laser beam. Move it, even to track a running target, and the sights get misaligned. If you are paying attention you can adjust for it, but it is a LOT harder.
The CoD style players are used to beating a random number generator. You do that by moving constantly, reducing the chance for the random number generator to decide on a "kill". So they think that there is something wrong with this game because they can't hit anything, while the other guy hits them easily. There is nothing wrong with the game. One person just used superior skill, and his knowledge of the game, to beat you. He knew that 1 aimed shot is better than 10 unaimed shots, and he won.
He adopted a stable firing position, calculated the correct lead and drop, waited for his breathing to be right, then fired. Good players can do that while you're still trying to tell if he's a friendly or an enemy. If they miss, they take another shot or two (depending on the situation) and then they move to a new stable firing position. He moves when he isn't shooting and shoots when he isn't moving.
Remember even sitting still and traversing your weapon causes the sights to misalign while the weapon is moving, unless it is moving slow and steady enough. This is probably 50% of the camper's problem. They think "don't move" and let go of the WASD keys. I think "don't move" and let go of the WASD keys AND the mouse (figuratively speaking).
This is also why people complain about sway. They are used to game "sway" which is simply a random number generator that makes the gun less accurate. Most games totally fake an unsteady firing position by showing an animation of the gun swaying and by adding a random deviation to the trajectory of the bullet, but very few games tie them together. So you have been trained to think that you can not compensate for sway. You've come to believe sway should make you less accurate no matter what you do.
In RO2, the sway is not fake. It's really modelled in, and the bullet flies exactly where the muzzle is pointing... it's just that it is a lot harder to point the muzzle at the target properly.
The fact that most people have access to autos also means that ultimately the rifle is just something to use for fun. Most people will choose autos for their apparent superiority.
Most NOOBS will, but then they will come here and complain about how the game is broken. The auto rifles suck balls. Especially on full auto. Total waste of ammo. Hell, with the bolt action and manual bolting, I can fire just as many bullets as them, but mine are much more accurate.
It is because they spawn far behind the next point and by the time they can reach the point they have to defend it's often already occupied by the enemy which means that the defenders often become the attackers.
I'm pretty sure you must have heard the phrase "counter attack"... right? You do know that is perfectly realistic, don't you? Artillery barrages are meant to break open fixed fortifications. If you are attacking a strong point you hammer it with arty, then run your men in there to grab it once they are dead or otherwise rendered ineffective.
How you deal with this possibility in the real world is defence in depth. You have some troops out front of the objective, some inside, and some even behind. When artillery starts falling, you move forward or backward to get out of the kill zone, then as soon as it stops, you go back to your position because now you know the actual assault is about to happen and no more artillery or other long range support will be used there.
If you push forward when the artillery drops, you end up doing a spoiling attack. While their artillery is bouncing rubble behind you, you're killing the men who were supposed to run in after it. When the artillery stops, you can give ground until you are back in the objective, making the enemy pay for every inch of ground, or you can hold where you are, having GAINED ground defensively.
As I said. It's not the game that is broken, it is how YOU (and most people at the moment, sadly) play it.
This is GOOD design because both the attackers and defenders have to put down EQUAL effort to win.
Funny. In the real world I was taught that the defender ALWAYS has an advantage. Not just a slight one, but at LEAST 3 to 1. For every one of them you kill, you will lose three men. A heavily fortified position might even be 10 to 1.
What you are asking for is the game mechanics to be made totally unrealistic so that you don't feel like you are so bad at it. You are essentially asking the devs to make the game easier for you, and they will not. You will lose that battle. So instead, adapt and overcome. Learn to play THIS GAME, rather than trying to turn it into ANOTHER GAME.
The unlock system which gives the DDE assault squad members an impressive prototype STG-44 divides up the community into the haves and have nots.
I have it and have never used it. The guys that do are no better than the guys that don't. I kill them just as easily. It doesn't matter WHAT weapon you have - you are losing gun fights because you don't know how to win a gun fight. All you know how to do is to beat a random number generator.
Let's not delude ourselves - as good as the mp-40 is having alternative that fires sub-rifle rounds that go through walls is simply too good.
You began deluding yourself before you even began typing. What you think SHOULD happen is wrong, so when it DOESN'T happen, you don't know why, and your best guess as to the cause is usually wrong.
The MP40 is an effective weapon not because it is automatic or powerful, it is because it is shorter and more easily controlled when turning. You don't have to worry about keeping enough clearance so that you can aim the weapon effectively. The MkB42 is a COMPROMISE weapon. Compromise weapons are jacks of all trades, but masters of none. It's bigger than an SMG so it's less manoeuvrable, but it is less powerful and accurate than a standard rifle.
So it is both better and worse than the weapons it is designed to replace. It does everything OK, instead of one thing GREAT. Bad players need it. They can't adapt their style to suit the weapon, so they need the weapon that is most generalised so that it works for them in close and out far without them changing their tactics.
So, what little advantage they may have because of the weapon, is usually counteracted by the lack of skill that lead them to choose that weapon in the first place.
I played Call of Duty World at War for a while
I could tell.
and while there were a few slightly favored weapons
Because EVERY weapon is borked so that there is no difference between them. The only skill that game requires is a good reaction time. The rest is random number generators.
a person who was at level 1 had really no disadvantages against a level 65 player.
They don't here, either. As I noted above, you simply have an incorrect idea of what should and should not be possible and so you THINK you are at a disadvantage.
The level 65 had more options but ultimately a level 1 thompson-bearing soldier could kill the 65 consistently quite easily (assuming similar skill) .
You mean, no skill. The game doesn't require it. When you hit a target, it's not because you aimed well, or predicted where he was going or any other SKILL. It's because the random number generator came up in your favour. THAT IS ALL.
There is NO SKILL in CoD. It's that simple.
The guns were ultimately balanced to taste.
No the guns weren't BALANCED at all. They were ALL THE SAME. There might be slight differences in their appearance or how quick the guy died, or how MUCH deviation the game randomly added to your shot, but at the core, if you fire one round through ANY of those guns, it's pretty much exactly the same as one round fired through ANY other gun.
That is boring and stupid. There is no depth there. I don't have to learn which weapons I can use well and which to avoid. I don't have to learn proper small unit tactics.. Hell in most games you can't even go prone! No wonder you think you're a better shot than you are!
The fact that this game has a clear hiearchy of weapons means that the people
It's not a fact. Actually its utter fiction. EVERY weapon has its weak and strong points and every weapon will be better than another weapon for the task it was specifically designed for. You simply have no idea why weapons are designed the way they are, nor what tasks they are designed to accomplish. That makes playing the game less fun for you, because it seems that no matter what you do you lose. It's simply because those other games have trained you to think all weapons ARE or SHOULD be exactly the same, and you should be able to do everything, with them. They aren't all the same, but you can do all the same things, if you adapt your tactics to suit the weapon.
because it's realistic it models the fact that the assault rifle was a superior weapon by far .
No it doesn't. What you're seeing at the moment is the result of people who don't know tactics coming up against something they've never faced before - a realistic weapon. Unrealistic tactics don't work against realistic weapons. So players who don't really know how to handle it think it is the weapon that is at fault.
This simply means that this "unlock" isn't a sidegrade but a 200% upgrade which would be counterproductive to COD's system where the upgrades were advantageous in dilute amounts.
Get lost. That isn't even a remotely accurate description of those games. The difference in capability between a beginner and a high ranked players is VAST. Utter silence? Invisible to radar? Able to run twice as fast as everyone else?
Dilute amounts? Are you nuts? Seriously.
Another issue is of course that this game wants to be realistic while giving a large % of its players a very rare weapon.
Who cares? People are dying because they are using bad tactics, not because the weapon is somehow special. It doesn't matter if your bullets hit harder than an SMG, if you don't hit. It doesn't matter if you can fire more bullets, if you don't hit. I find that most people who think it's all about the guns, hit far less often than the people who know the guns have nothing to do with it.
You lost the battle before it even began, regardless of what weapon you chose.
Due to the fact that its so damn good the German side simply has it far better in every way.
Bollocks. I was playing grain elevator last night, the perfect map for the MkB42, and the Russians won easily over and over again. The MkB42's didn't help the Germans because they had no clue what they were doing, while we seemed to know exactly what we were doing.
You can argue who was better all day but it still wont make any difference because the gameplay is garbage.
A CoD player would say that, because their SKILLS are garbage. You marked yourself as a CoD player before you even said it, simply because all your complaints are the same ones EVERY CoD player has. You can't play THIS GAME. So you think the game sucks.
Those of us who know what we're doing know the truth. YOU suck, not the GAME.
average experience that counts and that's the average experience.
Because of below average players like you.
TWI - all I can say is this: decide what you want to do and do it ,you can't have a 2 in 1, sorry but you can't. Better luck next time. I seriously mean it.
If TWI changes ANYTHING based on the opinion of people like you, they will ruin the game. You simply have no idea how to play THIS kind of game, so you're trying to change it into a game you CAN play: CoD.