Why did the game switch to censored????
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The difference between soviet atrocities and german ones lies in the ideological details. Stalin was a dick. No question about that. However most of atrocities commited by him or his regime are not specific to the idea of communism. The Nazi ideology openly proclaimed mass murder of certain races of people. That is why the symbol of a swastika is tainted and the hammer and sickle is not.
Communism did not have mass murder of jews painted on its flag. Stalin just "happened" to be a power hungry and cruel dictator that used any means to hold on to power.
Communism did not have mass murder of jews painted on its flag. Stalin just "happened" to be a power hungry and cruel dictator that used any means to hold on to power.
Tiny swastika symbols on a man are unimportant details. And obsessing over tiny detail like this only highlights the silly secret obsessive nazi fetish some people have.kinda pointless to advertice realistic unifroms if u are going to modify important parts of em out...
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swastika actually was the symbol of nazi germany every soldier wore them.
the SS however were your run of the mill mass murdering b*stards so thats why im perfectly oke with teh swastika but would understand if they edited out the ss stuf IMHO.
the SS however were your run of the mill mass murdering b*stards so thats why im perfectly oke with teh swastika but would understand if they edited out the ss stuf IMHO.
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I agree what you are saying, except that swatiska symbol is more than sign of nazi ideology, as I stated on my last post, it far older and wider used, more a symbol of luck and sun.
But I understand why it is not in the game and why it is banned on some coundtries.
"Most symbols and marks may be banned untill people forget why it was banned, and on that day these symbols are cleaned from that filth what someone tainted them with". It's not good to advertise a symbol as a of violence mark, when it's original meaning is something else.
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Tell me then why all communist countries have suffered terribly under their regimes, you just spew out the typical communist bull**** to try to justify the communist menace that has destroyed way more life than any other ideology. And do you really think that all nazis suported the holocost? Thats just bull**** to, Both Stalin and Hitler where brutal men, not all nazis neither all communists where murderers nor suported murder, get your facts straight. What you just said must have been one of the most stupid excuses for defending mass murder I've read.
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Hungary, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania might disagree
as many others would ...
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Germans were nazis before and apparently they are nazis now.
Today they ban all symbols that make them think of their grandparents. Because that is going to make everyone else in the world think that Germans have changed. And that they are no longer nazis who censor all kinds of stuff.
Today they ban all symbols that make them think of their grandparents. Because that is going to make everyone else in the world think that Germans have changed. And that they are no longer nazis who censor all kinds of stuff.
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Hungary, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania might disagree
Yes most of the East European countries, the exsoviet countries, from the Baltic sea to the black sea
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Really? You guys complaining about a bad texture swastika so bad that you can barely see it on max settings? I'm german but bought my uncensored version in spain with steam, and I simply don't care. It's just a low res texture.
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People will complain just to complain, and if they can't find something to complain about they will make up something to complain about.
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because u have no other choice but to buy the game in your localised version, my german friend ... so you "have to be" pleased.
We could all keep on discussing about historical details ... but the question still remains ... Why is the game, seemingly, in every country censored?
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Hungary, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania might disagree
Yet, Soviet Russia technically has been a "communist" country more or less from 1917 to the early '20s. After that, it turned quite fast into a bureaucratic dictatorship, and by 1930 it had much more in common with fascism than Marx. At the same time, communist parties were present all over the world, on most of them never supported mass-murdering or dictatorship (even if many of them were blinded by Soviet propaganda and power). That's why communist parties and symbols, while heavily linked to Soviet Russia, are legal more or less in every country in the world (except some of the ex-Soviet republics, where the symbology it's too strictly connected to the USSR).
Now, it could be discussed if a communist state can survive without evolving in a dictatorship, but this is not really the place to do that...
Said that, I have no problems with the swastika in games, because it's now part of history, and it's no different from, let's say, the roman eagles...
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Reread my post and find your mistake. Edited it to make it easier.
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Hungary, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania might disagree
As a half-Latvian (this is where I get my in-game name), I thank you for that comment.
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My uncle, from Bavaria, fought for the Waffen-SS. He didn't "murder" anyone, anymore than my other uncle, an American in the Marines, "murdered" Japanese. I will tell you why the thunderbolts are associated with mass murder, but the hammer and sickle are not - one side won, and thus writes the history, and the other side lost, and thus must "take its medicine" quietly. It probably doesn't hurt the Soviet Union's case that many "educators" are left-leaning to say the least. Just remember that Poland was invaded from the East, as well as the West. And you should know that every nation interested in its survival fought a complete and total war against its enemies - meaning, targeted military and civilian targets alike.
As for removing the swastikas from the game. Why is it that studios insist on censoring National Socialist imagery, but preserving Communist imagery? What sort of sense does this make? What is the message? That National Socialists were bad, but Communists were acceptable?
It is dishonest to remove the swastika, and thereby deface the uniform worn by young men, with homes, and mothers and children, who fought tenaciously and were often killed in the service of their country. It could be said more eloquently, but I hope you understand my meaning.
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