why carbines? (Merged)

[Quietus]

Taken from: http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/Russian-M44-Carbine.asp
"THE NEED
Although the Soviet designed Mosin Nagant M91/30 rifle had served with distinction in The Great Patriotic War, the Soviet high command determined there was a need for a shorter and more handy bolt action service rifle for the Red Army. The savage street by street combat in cities such as Stalingrad clearly showed that a carbine length weapon would better satisfy the needs of the Red Army."

 

[Waxx]

I almost always switch to the carbine for close quarters maps, I find that I do much better with it in such places than with the 91/30.

 

[AC/DC]

Quick Question!

Quick Question!

The carbine version doesnt have a bayonet, so what will be the melee attack? Bash ?

 

[Bobdog]

Yep, smack 'em with the butt of the rifle.

 

[Necro]

do you run faster or have more stamina if your using the shortened one? was thinking it's probably easier to run with it rather than with the longer barrel.

 

[<Noddy>]

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned by one of the beta boyz that the Mosin 38 feels and plays much lighter and is quicker when drawing the iron sights.

 

[baff]

Can't speak for the game, but a carbine should also suffer from lower muzzle velocity as well as reduced accuracy.

 

[KrazyKraut]

Now we just need to get the M44

Nah, rather have the M38 which can be made available on all maps than the M44 which would be restricted to late war maps. Maybe someday M44 will make it too (wasn't there already a model around someday). Oh and G33 ftw plz.

 

[Necro]

depends on the map on a smaller more confined map like warsaw the carbine might be better compared to the normal.

 

[necropimp]

The MN 1891/30 is a full legth rifle, coming with a bayonet.

The MN1891/38 is the carbine without bayonet.

So both of you get what they want in game

the 91/38 was a Czech model (basically a russian M91 cut down to M38 specs also done post-war) which always got me about the in game text... the russian model is the M38

 

[Makarov]

I hope the accuracy is not cut down too much. They are still very powerful, accurate rifles out to 400+ meters.

 

[Necro]

naa i figure on the really huuuuge outdoor maps it may be a bit harder to hit but other than that i don't see a big difference!

 

[Mr._Kong]

Hmm... have not noticed yet myself but i will try and see.

 

[D3terioNation]

Every weapon has a melee attack (cept a couple mg42/34?)

If a weapon accomodates a bayo, then it will switch to that attack when attached!

Sweet huh?

 

[KrazyKraut]

From the master himself:

Carbines have faster free-aim movement speed, thus they are better in close combat situations if you need to fire from the hip. The closely matches thier real life advantage of being better for confined areas.

 

[vostrikoff]

lol the "Master"

 

[DieFledermaus]

I think the same argument can be made for the MP-41. Why bother?

Well because they really used them and having the different weapons that were common on the RO battlefield just ads to the coolness factor.

Personally, I take the carb over the rifle every time it is available. I am MUCH more accurate with it. That may be due to the fact I am used to it and just learned how to aim with it. But it certainly is much better firing from the hip, like when someone suddenly comes around a corner.

But in the top of TR on Kaucasus I can kill all the way to end of the mortar without any problem at all.

I do not know if it really bolts faster or reloads faster, but it seems to. I rarely ever have need of a bayonet, because I usually shoot them before they can get to me.

I am glad it is in the game simply because they really produced them and used them in some numbers. So it adds to the realism.

 

[LordKhaine]

I doubt the accuracy difference is much at all. At the ranges in most maps it shouldn't be an issue. One upside to the carbine is also that the barrel doesn't stick out so far.. making you harder to spot when firing from cover (such as a window).

In the mod I picked both.. depending on my mood.

 

[THG repo]

Carbines have faster free-aim movement speed, thus they are better in close combat situations if you need to fire from the hip. The closely matches thier real life advantage of being better for confined areas.

But Mr.President isnt that kinda pointless???

Because if you had the bigger one you could just stab them???

In the game the advantages arnt big enough, though I do see the advantages in reallife...why would you want to stab someone when you could pointblank them with a carbine which would be just like stabbing them but alot easier in confined spaces.

And also wouldnt you have a smg and nades in confined spaces?

I have yet to see a game that modled a carbines advantages well except for veitcong and even then it wasnt complete.

 

[DeusIrae]

all the cool kids have carbines...
and a carbine club...