Russian Propaganda
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imo. germans would have succeeded taking moscow (or at least able to totally siege it) IF Hitler would have stayd out of the military commading. He gave order to broke out the blitz towards moscow which delayed the attack and then winter turned the tides.Bolt said:
I don't say that germans would have won the war by taking the moscow but at least it could been shockwave to soviet union.
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Personally, i think, they couldn't completely take Moscow, it would be another Stalingrad to them: every rock would shoot.
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Bolt said:
Well, possibly yes but their morale was down by then.
In stalingrad they had better morale, lots of new equipment and fresh men - coming from the east.
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Moscow was a capital and had a lot more influence on people's minds that Stalingrad had. So i'm pretty sure everyone would do as much as possible so that even earth would burn under feets of germans. Besides, if there were any street-fighting in Moscow, high command would send tanks and fresh divisions directly there, and only after that - anywhere else.
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It was a "great purge", because, as you said, almost every high command officer suffered. And 8000 is stil a huge number and basically its a real shame that this happened - Red Army desperately needed not the good generals, but basic officers.
but if we take all the officers, the percent of opressed would go down.
Now about the year of 44. No, i wasn't talking about how many men they have lost, i was talking about Staufenberg's attemp to murder Hitler. If such thing had happened to Stalin in 41 and Stalin had died, the germans surely would win.
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It was a "great purge", because, as you said, almost every high command officer suffered. And 8000 is stil a huge number and basically its a real shame that this happened - Red Army desperately needed not the good generals, but basic officers.
but if we take all the officers, the percent of opressed would go down.
Now about the year of 44. No, i wasn't talking about how many men they have lost, i was talking about Staufenberg's attemp to murder Hitler. If such thing had happened to Stalin in 41 and Stalin had died, the germans surely would win.
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Bolt said:
Still, at that time their morale was low, like in first winter of leningrad siege.
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Bolt you said Somalia was an example of U.S. aggression. Do you even know what you are talking about? We were trying to help them because everyone was starving and they started shooting like a bunch of idiots. The U.N. was there too just so you know.
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Excuse me for bringing this subject up again but I must correct one agument...
"Poland and Finland refused to cooperate with the Soviet Union"
USSR wanted Finland to move ist border further of Leningrad, in return Finland would get some areas in return, Finns agreed these terms. But that wasn
"Poland and Finland refused to cooperate with the Soviet Union"
USSR wanted Finland to move ist border further of Leningrad, in return Finland would get some areas in return, Finns agreed these terms. But that wasn
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I advise to read L.Trotsky text "Stalin - Hitler's quartermaster".Maybe it is also in english language internet.Who can read through in Russian - http://www.zhurnal.ru/magister/library/trotsky/trotm472.htm
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