In Ostfront, while a pistol seems steady in your hand, the cone of fire is terrible. Will this be improved in HOES? I mean, decreased the cone of fire/have a better apparent instability.
How so?The system is different. Pistols behave much more like their real life counterpats.
With a pistol you really don't have to take gravity and wind into account that much.I hope there is no cone of fire and that you shoot where you aim, taking gravity and wind into account.
With a pistol you really don't have to take gravity and wind into account that much.
IMO a WW2 pistol using actual WW2 ammo should have a spread of roughly 10'' diameter at 50m. Remember, those things were neither match pistols nor was the ammo hand-load quality.
those things were neither match pistols nor was the ammo hand-load quality.
I'm not saying that they aren't accurate (my old, beat up, rusty '43 P-38, when using hand loaded ammo was one of the most accurate pistols I've ever seen), yet especially the triggers are NOT match grade in any way and usage in the field is going to give you way less accurate results than using them on the range and concentrating to exactly hit the trigger release point.My Luger would like to have a word with you
They require at last 10x more pull-force than a match pistol.There is absolutely nothing wrong with the P38's trigger from firing two of them.
They require at last 10x more pull-force than a match pistol.
But that isn't even my point, my point was that one simply can't expect WW2 pistols shooting WW2 ammo being as accurate as a match pistol with hand-loaded ammo.
They require at last 10x more pull-force than a match pistol.
But that isn't even my point, my point was that one simply can't expect WW2 pistols shooting WW2 ammo being as accurate as a match pistol with hand-loaded ammo.
A military pistol is designed with safety in mind means the trigger will be heavier to reduce accidental discharges. This really isn't as much of a concern for a target pistol meant for primarily shooting at paper. With that said, the P38 has combat accuracy.They require at last 10x more pull-force than a match pistol.
But that isn't even my point, my point was that one simply can't expect WW2 pistols shooting WW2 ammo being as accurate as a match pistol with hand-loaded ammo.
A military pistol is designed with safety in mind means the trigger will be heavier to reduce accidental discharges. This really isn't as much of a concern for a target pistol meant for primarily shooting at paper. With that said, the P38 has combat accuracy.
O rly?
I owned a P-38 myself, and have shot a couple of different P-1's as well, big deal. The thing I'm talking about is not a specific weapon, I'm talking about people confusing today's accuracy of rifles/pistols with WW2 accuracy.
I probably don't have to tell you how crap nearly all ammo produced by any major power was back then. While a Kar98k might be damn accurate with nice and clean factory ammo, or even hand-loaded match ammunition, sh*tty ammunition will cause it to have a spread of ca. 1-2m at 100m.
My original point was that people simply shouldn't confuse the accuracy of a modern pistol and modern ammo with the accuracy of a WW2 pistol firing WW2 ammo. And people certainly won't be able to replicate the ability of a competition shooter calmly using a special match pistol and hand-loaded rounds with a WW2 pistol that probably hasn't been cleaned since the last bombardment, firing sh*tty WW2 ammo all the while being in the most brutal combat environment the world has ever seen.
S1 P-1's have the nasty habbit of rupturing the slide, so unless you don't plan to shoot it a lot I'd rather go with a P-38 or a late P-1.Hope you dont mind me off topicing this here post lemon but could you describe a bit about your p38/p1 experience? A local store has series 1 P1's in for a good deal and I am considering getting one. By series 1 I mean the models with thinner slides and no steel cross hex bolt.
I hope there is no cone of fire and that you shoot where you aim, taking gravity and wind into account.