X-ray Gaming anti cheat support for HoS

[Apos]

Hi,
for a good start HoS should have good anti-cheat protection. AFAIK UE3 is highly abused by glitchers, cheaters etc. In RO:O we could spotted many scams. Aimbots, wallhacks, norecoils, soundhaxs etc.... RO:O has VAC and it doesnt help at all.

My proposition is for clangaming and not only get support from X-Ray Gaming.

website:http://www.xraygaming.com/index.php?pageid=home

What it does?
- http://www.xraygaming.com/index.php?pageid=xac-about
main features:
- it tooks real screenshots from players game and send them to main server - http://www.xraygaming.com/index.php?pageid=gallery
- checks RAM memory and verify what kind of apps are running in backgroud
- checks game config files
- keep in database busted players

That software will help to stop cheaters, glitchers and other scum.

 

[Zetsumei]

Xray is something that clanning websites should request it hasn't got much to do with the devs in that sense. They never responded to me though when I asked them for support with roost, its probably a case of not having loads of people spamming/requesting them for actual game support. However generally running a program like Xray next to the game itself can be quite annoying, and makes clan matches even harder to get into for newer teams, however it is a much needed hurdle.

Personally I would love to see a second anti cheat system beside VAC like Xray utilizing screen shot grabbing for at least competitive games. The way X-ray works is impossible for all public matches as actual humans must do the monitoring and reporting of screen shots (that's why even X-ray says you should only use it for clan matches), but for competitive matches it would work like a charm.

It would be really neat if X-ray could be implemented and integrated within the actual game, and basically triggered when someone starts a demo recording.

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The most ideal situation however would be if TWI could basically save all the Info X-ray gathers into the a special match demo rec or something similar. Completely evading the need of a third party like X-Ray.

So you get 1 file that can be read only within the game that contains:
1) Screenshots of the scoreboard at the end of a round, including server IP, Steam ID's, Time, etc
2) Demorecordings (allowing you to watch in first person, and actually seeing where someone actually aims)
3) Random screenshots during play time (timed so you can compare the imagery with the demo recording)
4) The configuration files used. (including hardware specs)
5) Chat Log and Log of all players and their steam id's joining and leaving.
6) List of processes that ran on the host computer

It perhaps seems like an infringement of privacy, but the files would actually only be stored on a users his personal computer unless he enters an web address of say a ladder's upload address to automatically upload those files to.

 

[Apos]

Hey Zetsumei. Too bad that roladder didn't get support from Xray.

As i said before and i totally agree with you HoS needs second AC protection.

 

[PUTZ]

Be assured, anti-cheating (and piracy for that matter) is high on the list of their goals.

But whatever ladders and competition groups sprout up, should certainly look into that prog...

 

[REZ]

4) The configuration files used. (including hardware specs)

Just curious why you included hardware specs here. I'm not totally clear on how someones hardware would help them cheat.

All of the other things in your list sound great, but I'm not sure how they would be able to log a list of processes running on a users PC.. wouldnt that be incredibly draining on the local PC to be constantly recording that data? Just curious because I really have no idea about this stuff...

 

[Zetsumei]

hardware specs can give you an estimation on performance. But primarily sometimes some combinations of ini settings create exploits and bugs, that only work for some sorts of hardware.

By knowing for instance the video card brand, allows you to make sure whether someone is getting that exploit or not. (think things like looking through smoke or shadow bugs through buildings etc).

 

[Apos]

@PUTZ thx for info.

@REZ, look what Zetsumei wrote. Many cheats doesnt need external software. I remember some version of ATI drivers compared with old ATI GPU gives free wallhack in Counter-Strike game. It was fixed ofcourse by ATI but it isnt illegal to use old gpu/drivers. X-Ray is here to check it.

I really hope for 4) The configuration files used checking feature. Im pissed of how easy is to abuse it by changing some variables and make game "better". I believe Zetsumei and TWI devs know what do i mean.

 

[REZ]

Oh ok, I always thought people had to run software or hack the game files in order to cheat. Dang, people really go out of their way to try and get a few more kills/bragging rights :[

+1 for X-Ray
+1 for anything that squashes cheaters

 

[Zetsumei]

Be assured, anti-cheating (and piracy for that matter) is high on the list of their goals.

But whatever ladders and competition groups sprout up, should certainly look into that prog...

The thing is ideally vac would include a lot of the features it's missing compared to most other anti cheat solutions and would basically check a lot more things than it does currently. But as that probably isn't a possibility a built in integration of another screen shot grabbing anti cheat like DMW and X-Ray, would make clan gaming a lot more accessible.

If a private server could simply start up with a command like "ismatchserver=true". Which would then automatically for all players, start an build in X-ray client, record demorecs, and make screen shots of the scoreboard at the end of the round. Then the barrier for competitive play would become a lot lower.

Issues of people forgetting to do those tasks would then be a thing of the past.
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So it would be really neat and awesome if somehow TWI could embed a solution like X-ray anti cheat or DMW within the game itself.

So people won't be forced to mess around with external programs. All people would need to do then would be entering their login details in the options menu, and off they go (or even better if it would automatically be connected to your steam id).

Streamlining stuff would really help the competitive gaming community. Clan gaming should be more about playing, and less about small rituals players need to do so competitions can secure a fair playing ground.

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Finally X-ray is a popular anti cheat solution, that is actually used in a lot of the most popular leagues and ladders. If the game would get a X-ray integration, it would give a highly positive sign to a lot of clan players from other games.

Clan gamers might not be the biggest group playing games, but they are a group that is vocal, super active and generally dedicated to a game. And with that I think could help a lot with word of mouth advertising, supplying well maintained dedicated servers and keeping a game alive.

 

[cooperr]

Support this please!!

Or any other anti cheat thing y!.. VAC just doesn't do the job! We need script checks.. and print screens, md5 checks, ini file checks, etc. Defiantly needed for tournaments/clan matches etc!

 

[CopperHead]

I support it, completely.

 

[Poerisija]

As long as it's not punkbuster...

 

[Erkki]

As long as it's not punkbuster...

Imo punkbuster is way better than VAC. For Competive gaming, recording is best way to bust cheater, for public punkbuster.

 

[Zetsumei]

Demos don't show nearly enough though. Stuff like X-ray is the best for competitive gaming matches. Punkbuster is good for public, but I think for the biggest bit Vac works good enough for public gaming as well and is less intruisive.

 

[Apos]

PB is nice AC software but works only for commercial release and big/common cheats, scripts. It doesnt support protection against small cheats and glitches, X-ray does.

I heard from my clanmates that updated PB banned about 300 cheaters in BC2. 300 its nothing...

 

[Poerisija]

Imo punkbuster is way better than VAC. For Competive gaming, recording is best way to bust cheater, for public punkbuster.

I consider something that install an app that runs continuously on the processes without telling me about it a spyware.

It also keeps kicking me off servers due to failed PB authentication in games, no matter what fixes I try. Made me quit Frontlines: Fuel of War a half a year ago or so.

 

[Erkki]

I consider something that install an app that runs continuously on the processes without telling me about it a spyware.

It also keeps kicking me off servers due to failed PB authentication in games, no matter what fixes I try. Made me quit Frontlines: Fuel of War a half a year ago or so.

Did you try uninstalling with the pb software?

If xray gets common, every little cheat will pass it because they know its being used. Imo xray is only annoying.

 

[Apos]

X-ray is specialized software used in clangaming. So you wont be bother by that on normal multiplayer servers. Even if it will be common in use and some clans/guys will try to "pass it" its better than nothing -> VAC. Anyway X-ray has several protection rules that keep it from cheaters, abusers and glitchers. X-ray works great in such games like Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 4 and others so why shouln't be work in HoS?

ps. I have never ever had problems with punkbuster... Maybe something is wrong with your PC/OS, not PBuster.

 

[Zetsumei]

The key why x-ray works is because it isn't just a fully automated system. But actually for a big part uses humans to investigate into things, and that is the exact reason why it doesn't work too well with regular public gaming.

This means that Admins can use it as a tool especially in the case of accusations to investigate into a player. Allowing staff to get a lot of detail immediately about what is going on and make a good judgement. Because humans are actually used in checking of players, means that it ain't that easy to evade detection from the system.

 

[Erkki]

X-ray is specialized software used in clangaming. So you wont be bother by that on normal multiplayer servers. Even if it will be common in use and some clans/guys will try to "pass it" its better than nothing -> VAC. Anyway X-ray has several protection rules that keep it from cheaters, abusers and glitchers. X-ray works great in such games like Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 4 and others so why shouln't be work in HoS?

ps. I have never ever had problems with punkbuster... Maybe something is wrong with your PC/OS, not PBuster.

With annoying i mean i have to put it on when i go play clanwars. And yes i have been using it in cod4. It came and it went.. Nothing special for me, we busted couple of cheaters by demos, noting involved with xray.