WWAUT - What To Bring To A Gunfight

[Drassel]

That takes years of abuse, more so than just shooting it.

Never said they were quick to show these ''diseases'', but it's their main weaknesses

Oh, also, slamming the cylinder shut can bend the cylinder yoke (or crane) and cause premature cylinder asynchrony. Had so much fun telling that to someone at work today.

 

[Myrkr]

Never said they were quick to show these ''diseases'', but it's their main weaknesses

Oh, also, slamming the cylinder shut can bend the cylinder yoke (or crane) and cause premature cylinder asynchrony. Had so much fun telling that to someone at work today.

Even with that, it's still so difficult to cause compared to jams from rapid firing slide weapons that it's not even funny.

 

[EricFong]

Remind me of a only .38 revolver we had in the Malaysian firing range where some guy tries to fan the double action revolver and broke the hammer, or loosen some part inside.

 

[Rainydaykid]

Yes, but I highly doubt it was a rapid fire life or death style situation like the game puts you in. Semi-Auto/full auto weapons are prone to a little thing called jamming, revolvers are not. Revolvers only have a potential to misfire and even then you just cock it and pull the trigger again, no interuption in ability to shoot, only in how many bullets go down. If a semi/full auto weapon jams then...well...you SooL until you clear the jam and cock the weapon to bring a new round into the chamber. The faster you fire a semi/full auto, the more gunk builds up more quickly. With AR's it still happens from time to time, albeit more rarely, and that's due to how they are designed, that extra bit over the barrel on the AK for instance channels some of the firing gasses back (iirc) to help keep the weapons action a bit clearer by forcing air out the action as it opens (which also helps ensure a cleaner cartridge ejection) could be wrong on that though cause it's been a decade or so since I last looked at an AK-47 schematic.

The big point from this, Revolvers are simple from a mechanical stand point, they are literally just a pair of gears, a spring a pin and a hammer attached to a trigger mechanism (the gears rotate the cylinder, spring pulls the hammer which strikes the pin and fires the round) meaning much fewer moving parts, making the likelihood of failure significantly less then a slided firearm.

TL : DR

Revolvers are more reliable due to the simplicity of the action compared to that of a semi-auto or full auto weapon.

Modern semis are far less prone to jamming than people think. I've been shooting for years, and it's happened maybe twice, other than cheap .22 ammo which isn't what we are discussing, also, that is where training comes in. I purposely practiced jam clearing drills by having a friend randomly load empty cases in with live ammo. Jam clearing isn't that hard, and even if it happens, still faster than loading a revolver.

Revolvers aren't simple from a mechanical standpoint. Just google revolver exploded view and look at all the parts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=revolver+exploded+view&tbm=isch&imgil=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%253A%253BrtCgXkSP2HuTeM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.gunslot.com%25252Fpictures%25252Fdan-wesson-44-revolver-exploded-drawing&source=iu&pf=m&fir=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%253A%252CrtCgXkSP2HuTeM%252C_&biw=1920&bih=939&usg=__6rfB8cL-Znf4dBBNxL1OxbhM7QQ%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCM3o1OO028gCFYElPgodnbMBig&ei=P6IrVo3NHYHL-AGd54bQCA#imgrc=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%3A&usg=__6rfB8cL-Znf4dBBNxL1OxbhM7QQ%3D

Revolvers are great weapons, but in a defensive situation, I'd much prefer a semi, you get a lot more ammo with a lot faster reload. For the buildup to start causing problems in a modern handgun, you would have to fire hundreds of rounds at a time. I fired 500 in one day at a training course, and never had an issue.

 

[Myrkr]

Modern semis are far less prone to jamming than people think. I've been shooting for years, and it's happened maybe twice, other than cheap .22 ammo which isn't what we are discussing, also, that is where training comes in. I purposely practiced jam clearing drills by having a friend randomly load empty cases in with live ammo. Jam clearing isn't that hard, and even if it happens, still faster than loading a revolver.

Revolvers aren't simple from a mechanical standpoint. Just google revolver exploded view and look at all the parts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=revolver+exploded+view&tbm=isch&imgil=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%253A%253BrtCgXkSP2HuTeM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.gunslot.com%25252Fpictures%25252Fdan-wesson-44-revolver-exploded-drawing&source=iu&pf=m&fir=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%253A%252CrtCgXkSP2HuTeM%252C_&biw=1920&bih=939&usg=__6rfB8cL-Znf4dBBNxL1OxbhM7QQ%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCM3o1OO028gCFYElPgodnbMBig&ei=P6IrVo3NHYHL-AGd54bQCA#imgrc=4pScUwXwHRJnJM%3A&usg=__6rfB8cL-Znf4dBBNxL1OxbhM7QQ%3D

Revolvers are great weapons, but in a defensive situation, I'd much prefer a semi, you get a lot more ammo with a lot faster reload. For the buildup to start causing problems in a modern handgun, you would have to fire hundreds of rounds at a time. I fired 500 in one day at a training course, and never had an issue.

You also picked a specifically complex revolver that isn't prelevant to the game, and a miss fire and a jam are different things buddy. A jam happens when there is a failure to properly eject causing the casing to get stuck in the slide. I've had it happen with 5.56 rounds as well as with .22LR and 9mm rounds. I've not had a revolver jam, because they litterally cannot jam.

More relevant comparisons
http://www.bghi.us/hunt_pics/1858_schematic.jpg 1858 revolver, note the few moving parts and springs (trigger/hammer/cylinder being the only moving parts, and one spring for the hammer) ( http://i34.tinypic.com/w7d8xc.jpg what it looks like disasembled)

http://1911gripsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/1911-Pistol-Exploded-View-2.jpg for the 1911 semi auto pistol, note the multiple springs (4, one for the hammer, one to pull the slide back into place, one for the mag, and one for the pin) The large moving slide, yes allows you to fire more rounds by ejecting old ones to cycle in new ones, but adds more movement to the weapon. The more moving parts, the more likely it is to fail.

That's why bolt actions are still used for sniper weapons, less moving parts, more likely to work when you need it to do so.

 

[Duelist]

Also another bonus for the revolver is if someone is close enough or on top of you, you can jab that barrel right into them and pull the trigger. With a semi auto that may push the slide back just a tiny bit and the gun will not fire as the slide has to be fully forward.

Also revolvers make good pocket guns as there is no slide to cycle to feed a new round in you can literally shoot the gun in your jacket pocket. Will ruin your jacket but oh well, a jacket can be replaced but your life cannot be replaced.

A downside to a revolver though is the attacker can grab your gun, keeping the cylinder from rotating thus keeping you from pulling the trigger unless it was cocked already. But the same can be said for semi autos as they just have to keep the slide out of battery to keep you from firing.

Sorry for rambling but I felt like I needed to highlight some key features that the oldies but goodies have over modern semi autos.

 

[Rainydaykid]

You also picked a specifically complex revolver that isn't prelevant to the game, and a miss fire and a jam are different things buddy. A jam happens when there is a failure to properly eject causing the casing to get stuck in the slide. I've had it happen with 5.56 rounds as well as with .22LR and 9mm rounds. I've not had a revolver jam, because they litterally cannot jam.

I know what the difference is. A jam is really easy to fix, like I said. It's also rare enough not to be an issue, and something training can easily fix. The only benefit a revolver has is if you need it for a niche application and use something super heavy like a .454 or .500, otherwise semis have them beat in the self defense area.

The revolver you showed still has plenty of parts, as well.

 

[mrsirr]

Guys guys let's all just agree that guns are soooo cool

 

[Duelist]

Guys guys let's all just agree that guns are soooo cool

Hell yea, I'll drink to that!

*raises glass of whiskey*

 

[Myrkr]

I know what the difference is. A jam is really easy to fix, like I said. It's also rare enough not to be an issue, and something training can easily fix. The only benefit a revolver has is if you need it for a niche application and use something super heavy like a .454 or .500, otherwise semis have them beat in the self defense area.

The revolver you showed still has plenty of parts, as well.

But significantly fewer moving parts. The more moving parts something has, the more prone to a failure it is.

 

[Drassel]

But significantly fewer moving parts. The more moving parts something has, the more prone to a failure it is.

There are less than 6 moving parts and 4 springs ( counting magazine spring) in a Glock. A S&W model 29 counts around 15 moving parts and 11 springs. most of them are tiny, losable and under alot of tension.

I don't wanna bash on revolvers, I just want to point out that in my opinion, revolvers are as prone to malfunction than pistols. They just don't suffer from the same illnesses.

They both have their flaws and way of handling. You can't beat a semi-auto's capacity and ease of reloading, but the sturdier frame of a revolver allows it to hold more powerful rounds and the fact that nothing else than the trigger/hammer assembly is moving during firing makes it more accurate than a pistol with its moving slide.