WWAUT - Lighting Up The Night
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The Reload Speed passive has me curious.
Does this mean the Firebug will simply have sped up animations like in KF1?
Will they transition into Tactical Reload animations at some point?
Excellent stuff, Yoshiro! Loving the perk tree and the Microwave gun. But I have a couple of questions just to clarify a few things:
1. The passive bonus for "Starting Ammo Amount" - this to me seems to suggest that a player only gets extra ammunition for the Firebug's tier 1 plus the 9mm pistol, is that right? Because if so, it feels weird that every other passive bonus in the game is pretty much permanent and applicable in every wave, yet the Firebug has one which only works in Wave 1 (and I assume it also applies after each time you respawn at the end of a wave?) but is completely redundant and ineffective after that.
Even on the hardest difficulties, Wave 1 is very doable with 9mm pistols and melees (and nades), not including what you have by default with any perk's tier 1 weapon and most of the time by Wave 2, you might already have your tier 2 weapon anyway. Unless the passive bonus is different to how I think it is, I'm not really seeing why a wave 1 wonder has made it as a passive bonus.
Wouldn't it be better (and more consistent with every other perk and their passive bonuses) to have something that can be used in all waves, such as increased max ammo capacity or increased magazine size as an alternative to starting ammo? More max ammo would be better because increased magazine size is technically another form of reducing the amount of time spent reloading (of which there is already a passive bonus for faster reloading with Firebug perk weapons).
2. The level 15 skill Zed Shrapnel - can you say how much explosive damage this skill does and whether it's effective enough against Fleshpounds when they are caught in the blast radius, assuming that it only has a 20% chance to trigger?
1. The passive bonus for "Starting Ammo Amount" - this to me seems to suggest that a player only gets extra ammunition for the Firebug's tier 1 plus the 9mm pistol, is that right? Because if so, it feels weird that every other passive bonus in the game is pretty much permanent and applicable in every wave, yet the Firebug has one which only works in Wave 1 (and I assume it also applies after each time you respawn at the end of a wave?) but is completely redundant and ineffective after that.
Even on the hardest difficulties, Wave 1 is very doable with 9mm pistols and melees (and nades), not including what you have by default with any perk's tier 1 weapon and most of the time by Wave 2, you might already have your tier 2 weapon anyway. Unless the passive bonus is different to how I think it is, I'm not really seeing why a wave 1 wonder has made it as a passive bonus.
Wouldn't it be better (and more consistent with every other perk and their passive bonuses) to have something that can be used in all waves, such as increased max ammo capacity or increased magazine size as an alternative to starting ammo? More max ammo would be better because increased magazine size is technically another form of reducing the amount of time spent reloading (of which there is already a passive bonus for faster reloading with Firebug perk weapons).
2. The level 15 skill Zed Shrapnel - can you say how much explosive damage this skill does and whether it's effective enough against Fleshpounds when they are caught in the blast radius, assuming that it only has a 20% chance to trigger?
About that 20% chance, keep in mind firebug will likely have a fast killrate with flames washing over groups and enemies burning to death without requiring your attention, so 1 in 5 trash mobs could explode fairly often. Fleshpound damage, not sure, if it counts as explosive damage (the zed-time one seems incendiary) then he'd be weak aginst the damage but I'd rely on direct damage for those.
It'd be good when you have a large group with an FP in it I'm sure, but it's just about having the opportunity.
It'd be good when you have a large group with an FP in it I'm sure, but it's just about having the opportunity.
I've got some concerns over this new character... is he actually affiliated with the Nazi party? 'cause uh... seems strange to me that our multi-cultural hero team, upon finding an actual honest-to-god Hitler-worshiping Nazi, would not only bother rescuing him in the first place, but give him access to guns... just because he swears he didn't voluntarily sign up for the cryogenics project and wants revenge on Volter, rather than, you know.... is working for him.. being from the same organization.
So uh, please tell me this character won't be traipsing around in Nazi regalia? It's one thing that we're just casually ignoring the Nazi-fetishism of a few select members of the forum community, but... to have a Nazi on the hero roster?? I'd have to raise some moral objection with that. Might as well have someone running around in a KKK robe, at that point.
So uh, please tell me this character won't be traipsing around in Nazi regalia? It's one thing that we're just casually ignoring the Nazi-fetishism of a few select members of the forum community, but... to have a Nazi on the hero roster?? I'd have to raise some moral objection with that. Might as well have someone running around in a KKK robe, at that point.
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Multiculturalism: Nazi Culture. 
Maybe this guy is just an unwilling conscript who does not actually care about the third reich and goes around fawning in amazement with what the future looks like. and he gets away with it by saying he is a WW2 reenactor becuase no one will believe that he was frozen or that nazi cryogenics where real.
Maybe this guy is just an unwilling conscript who does not actually care about the third reich and goes around fawning in amazement with what the future looks like. and he gets away with it by saying he is a WW2 reenactor becuase no one will believe that he was frozen or that nazi cryogenics where real.
This just in: Thinking it's wrong to worship Hitler and desire the total eradication or enslavement of all non-Aryan human life equals being "butthurt"
Haha but seriously I cannot be the only person in the Tripwire forum community who is uncomfortable with the casual nazi-worship of a few select members of the community, and yet we all just quietly ignore it???
Obvious Moral Issues aside, I feel like I'm going to get welded out of a room by neo-nazi griefers if I don't pick a character model that is aryan enough. That's no good. (explains why I've never seen anybody play as Donovan Neal before)
Haha but seriously I cannot be the only person in the Tripwire forum community who is uncomfortable with the casual nazi-worship of a few select members of the community, and yet we all just quietly ignore it???
Obvious Moral Issues aside, I feel like I'm going to get welded out of a room by neo-nazi griefers if I don't pick a character model that is aryan enough. That's no good.
(explains why I've never seen anybody play as Donovan Neal before)
Have you seen that other Red Orchestra game? It's deeply problematic and immorally Hitler-worshiping, the healthy society is at risk of getting exposed to sickening Nazi propaganda, quick do something about it before it's too late!
The "Wehrmacht" was the army of Germany from 1935-1946. Generally, the Wehrmacht doesn't have anything do to with Nazi commandos like SA, SS and others. As a regular soldier, you had to fight for your country if your comfortable with the NS thinking or not. So that guy doesn't need to be a Nazi and I think he isn't. Now when the clone-apokalypse has devastated whole Europe, he stands side by side with his former enemies to fight against Horzines genetic nightmares
And in the end ,y'know ,it's just a game... There's dozens of other games with nazis , sometimes you can even play as them! And sometimes,they are in the same ranks as the others (Call of Duty's zombie mod ,the medic in TF2...yeah Valve said he wasn't an ancient "nazi" but I think it's more to protect themselves from any blame) .
I don't think that everyone who's interested into Nazi culture is necesseraly a neo-nazi . I mean... I'm interested in serial killers ,does it means I am one? Nope,I only wish to understand their motives, what push them to do such horrible things and simply...to understand them, so we can fight to make sure these kind of people can be arrested.
What I'm saying it's that ,for better or for worse,we will ALWAYS talk about the nazis. It's important so we'll never see such a thing ever again. But of course, everytime we will remind the world of it , some people will agree with such ideas... That's the problem,but we can't do anything about that . I also think there's a huge difference between being interested in their weaponry , outfits and story and actually agreeing with their believes.
In the end,it's just a game. I think people won't mind such a thing . And in a pure story-based point-of-view...Maybe he got sick of the nazi ideology after what Volter did to him? He felt betrayed and now wish to fight the good fight? And since he saw how nice and helpful the others were , he doesn't want to kill them anymore?
I don't think that everyone who's interested into Nazi culture is necesseraly a neo-nazi . I mean... I'm interested in serial killers ,does it means I am one? Nope,I only wish to understand their motives, what push them to do such horrible things and simply...to understand them, so we can fight to make sure these kind of people can be arrested.
What I'm saying it's that ,for better or for worse,we will ALWAYS talk about the nazis. It's important so we'll never see such a thing ever again. But of course, everytime we will remind the world of it , some people will agree with such ideas... That's the problem,but we can't do anything about that . I also think there's a huge difference between being interested in their weaponry , outfits and story and actually agreeing with their believes.
In the end,it's just a game. I think people won't mind such a thing . And in a pure story-based point-of-view...Maybe he got sick of the nazi ideology after what Volter did to him? He felt betrayed and now wish to fight the good fight? And since he saw how nice and helpful the others were , he doesn't want to kill them anymore?
This just in: Thinking it's wrong to worship Hitler and desire the total eradication or enslavement of all non-Aryan human life equals being "butthurt"
Haha but seriously I cannot be the only person in the Tripwire forum community who is uncomfortable with the casual nazi-worship of a few select members of the community, and yet we all just quietly ignore it???
Obvious Moral Issues aside, I feel like I'm going to get welded out of a room by neo-nazi griefers if I don't pick a character model that is aryan enough. That's no good.
Playing with german soldier doesn't make you a nazi bro.. People are playing as nazis or soviets for many different reasons, its not just ideological or political.
Your Question kinda went under xd
But ya i wanna know too. Its always funny to hear non english People do german stuff. Wolfenstein is the best example "Die you swine -> Schwein -> Pig^^
The difference is that in most of those other games you're not supposed to be the good guy, you're just a member of opposing sides killing each other (I can't speak for anything CoD related because I wouldn't touch those games with a ten foot pole) Nobody cares if a bunch of terrible people are just killing each other for fun or profit. The problem is when you say "Hey, see this genocidal racist? He's THE HERO!"
There's a fine like between "Loving to Hate Villains" and "LOVING the Villains". There's studying bad people, and then there's romanticizing their actions and culture, wanting to dress up like them, talk like them, using their political icons and symbols, quoting their propaganda, etc.
When we've got people in the community with swastikas and **** in their profiles, "Heiling" and quoting hitler in their sigs and requesting Nazi outfits for german characters... that's going WAY beyond the line of what is acceptable.
You're saying, maybe he's a full on Defector rather than being like "I'm still a Nazi but let's work together so I can get some personal revenge"? I guess I could tolerate that. Just as long as he isn't spouting Nazi propaganda or wearing Nazi regalia.
The "Wehrmacht" was the army of Germany from 1935-1946. Generally, the Wehrmacht doesn't have anything do to with Nazi commandos like SA, SS and others. As a regular soldier, you had to fight for your country if your comfortable with the NS thinking or not. So that guy doesn't need to be a Nazi and I think he isn't. Now when the clone-apokalypse has devastated whole Europe, he stands side by side with his former enemies to fight against Horzines genetic nightmares
Was this unit kind of similar to the U.S. National Guard? I would really prefer THIS be the case, if so. Distance him from having committed any wartime atrocities, instead he's just a soldier stationed to defend his homeland.
It would actually work a lot better for his character if he's blatantly opposed to the Nazi party, anyways. Idle Banter Regarding the Patriarch / Volter: "Another mad-man with an army of monsters and delusions of world domination? [Deutsch expletive!] We had enough of that in my homeland!"
I would love this character if he quipped things like that.
Why would anyone say this? If you fought for your country, and killed people for it, then you obviously don't think that...
*cough* Lets move away from this line of talking and instead focus on how gorgeous Anton is! I wonder what customization options there are for him.
Finally able to see dat microwave gun too; I'm getting vibes from the space levels in the new(ish) Wolfenstein game. Noice.
Finally able to see dat microwave gun too; I'm getting vibes from the space levels in the new(ish) Wolfenstein game. Noice.
*cough* Lets move away from this line of talking and instead focus on how gorgeous Anton is! I wonder what customization options there are for him.
Finally able to see dat microwave gun too; I'm getting vibes from the space levels in the new(ish) Wolfenstein game. Noice.
Hell yeah I look forward to playing him and seeing him in-game.
Also sidenote, Not all Nazi soldiers were 'blah, I'm evil and hate everyone.' Most were just normal men fighting for their country. And I seriously doubt all Nazi soldiers worshiped Hitler, infact I bet most were in fear of Hitler and fought with little choice. Think of something like the Imperium in W40k.
Also, Der Untergang was a really good movie.
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