[WIP] Enable Custom Characters Mutator

[FluX]

Actually I had been planning this long before anyone mentioned anything about custom characters, but if this really bothers you I can remove it from my mutator again.

So as for now I am taking down the link until futher notice, but I'll keep hosting V4 one.

Mate don't worry honestly. Wouldn't make a difference lol.

You should release your mod Flux. Not EVERYONE runs serverperks so those people can still use your mod. I think you have great ideas and should continue to develop it... like the zed version...

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

Ok I will release it and compile a few characters for use on it. This will be done soon as im trying to do a few bits of my own stuff.

 

[Marco]

Mate don't worry honestly. Wouldn't make a difference lol.

Nono, he's right... I better take a break off killing floor modding and come back sometime when things cooled down and you got your mod finished.
I will remove the character selection feature from V5 and perhaps someday redo it again once it's a less sensitive feature to implement.

...no hard feelings.

 

[Dave_Scream]

No MARCO, dont do it... its you need to be cooled down now I think, not guys. YOU take a Break for few days. and move the link back. ServerPerks is totally total superbing superb mutator that 99% servers use. its good that u realized it in ServerPerks.

 

[HuNteR-]

Actually I had been planning this long before anyone mentioned anything about custom characters, but if this really bothers you I can remove it from my mutator again.

So as for now I am taking down the link until futher notice, but I'll keep hosting V4 one.

And thus the respect flows once more

Thank you Marco, a fantastic gesture of respect.

I think communications need to be made in situations like this, If Marco had been making this before Flux announced his, it should have been said earlier, either on the thread or by a PM to Flux, then Flux could have put his time into a different project.

If Marco wanted to make this project to put in his server perks after Flux announced the project, again, a simple, hey Flux, I know your making this already, but I've been working on one too and I'd love to release it, and the guy Flux is, he'd have glady said, hey man no problem.

I think communications collapsed, anyway, its all out in the open, we can move onto the next phase, Marcos SPV5 and a stand alone mod by Flux.

Its all good in the hood once again.

Flux has given his blessings, theres no hard feelings anymore, no one needs to stop or remove anything.

 

[Marco]

YOU take a Break for few days. and move the link back.

Indeed I will take a break starting from now (I put up a new version of it now without the custom character selection).

 

[Dave_Scream]

(I put up a new version of it now without the custom character selection)

bad idea no one from community will not accept this step.

 

[braindead]

Indeed I will take a break starting from now (I put up a new version of it now without the custom character selection).

That is a crying shame!!

I know you meant well Hunter but I think Marco had the best intentions when he released this mod.
OK, so he could have given a nod to Flux, which would have gone a long way but I know fine well, that if I was working on a mod and asked for Marco to look at it and he created a better, fully functional version and released it, I wouldn't have been too annoyed as I know he can do it better than I ever could.

Plus it would save me such a headache, also giving me more time to work on other stuff.
Even though he combined it with the server perks stuff, as he said, not everyone uses that and Flux is more than welcome to release a separate version, so it is no big deal to have 2 versions available?
Win, Win as far as I am concerned.

Anywho, will be a loss to the forums if you go Marco. Hope it isn't too long.

Edit!

LOL case in point, just read the new list for the server perks mod and it makes my (marco's) Custom Trader redundant.
Am I bothered? am I ****. the whole point of that mod was to benefit the community and allow them to use any custom weapon mods, regardless of who made it. Now they can get the same from the server perks which, is awesome.

I hope this proves that everything Marco has ever done is to benefit the community and nothing else. He hasn't expected any adulation or praise, just that people enjoy playing the game and get additional bonus from his mods.

 

[HuNteR-]

That is a crying shame!!

I know you meant well Hunter but I think Marco had the best intentions when he released this mod.

Is all good in da hood now

I hope this proves that everything Marco has ever done is to benefit the community and nothing else.

Marco and the rest of us, I haven't played my two mods I released, not for me, for the community, I still got flak for it, its all a part of the job description, do something nice, get ripped apart for it.

To point, this wasn't about Marco releasing his mod, it was the fact someone else had been working on the same thing for months, then all of a sudden, bang, Marco comes out of nowhere and has made the same mod.

It left a head scratching moment where you're saying, well hang on a second... whats going on here.

Lack of communication has caused all of this, everyone had good, honest intentions behind everything they've done, but that got lost in the controversy.

No one is right, no one is wrong, just confused...

 

[Valken]

Indeed I will take a break starting from now (I put up a new version of it now without the custom character selection).

Bad idea... No one is blaming you for anything Marco and you should keep the current version or update it with new features as you see fit.

It has been released already and if you release yet another version, it will cause mismatch errors again.

You keep your version for people who use Serverperks, and Flux should release his version for people who do not use serverperks or old modified versions of serverperks.

I think the air is already cleared and both modders have respect for each other's work. Even the other modders have blessed both mods.

 

[KF-Argentina]

So some people are really sensitive about this kind of things as i Looked, let me get this right....

Person A has a great Idea of developing something that it

 

[braindead]

Well said!!

So some people are really sensitive about this kind of things as i Looked, let me get this right....

Person A has a great Idea of developing something that it

 

[Gartley]

 

[FluX]

Ok I agree with you 100% but their is ways of communicating. Marco told me my original version as I quote:

It's just terrible, you are on a wrong path with implementing that.
A lot of that code makes no sense at all, so keep on trying (and for the record, I'm talking about CCLastChar, FsGameType, CCPlayerController, ServerStats). If you do it the right way you won't need to override any of those.

I might implement an own system in next ServerPerks version however.

Is this what someone REALLY would like to be told? Wht annoyed me was I had that only and suddenly it's out. I pretty much had no help from him when I was asking general questions so I can learn myself. Another example of why I was annoyed was when I made the level message (ok I had a little problem with getting online to work) but then Marco when and implemented this into his ServerPerks and suddenly now with the custom characters. I haven't checked out his new scoreboard but I have a funny feeling he has used that too. This is why I felt so stupid and fooled that he could "nick" what I have potentially done.

My project was pretty much done but because I wanted a full test + work + life problems + other bits. I wanted a break and thought i'd back off for a week or so. I come alone and find this from Marco...now yes people may not understand why I was so annoyed but read above...he KNEW I was working on this. You said we're doing all this for the community...yes we are but the way Marco presented his custom character addition was a slap in the face to me and sort of saying "this is how you do it". What he told me in that PM I showed above...he didn't even stick by it so where was the support of the "community"?

I've tried to cool this conversation down but seeing all the above...I can't be bothered to keep this back now. Sorry for all the hassel but obviously everyone has their own views.

 

[-MGS- Sniper]

Hi Flux i for one would use this

I like the idea of having it without the need to install another mut along with it.

Dont let anything or anyone stop you mate, Carry on release it and people will use it,

To change a famous quote alittle,

If you make it , they will use it

 

[FluX]

Hi Flux i for one would use this

I like the idea of having it without the need to install another mut along with it.

Dont let anything or anyone stop you mate, Carry on release it and people will use it,

To change a famous quote alittle,

If you make it , they will use it

I will release it cause I don't want to feel like I wasted mine and Braindead's time for this. Time depends on how long my PC lasts extra as it's playing right up. I want some characters ready for you too The only problem you may have is that perks will turn off...so unless you have some kind of perk system (maybe the perk selector mutator I think it's called or ServerPerks). Look out for another thread for the release cause this one is trashed up too much for one and I can give a real detail on how to use, install, configure etc etc


Some to expect:

• MechCarnivore - Green/blue
• SWAT Briar

More may be added.

 

[krispyk]

Flux, I respect what you were trying to do with your mod. I think both yours and Marco's can coexist. Yours for 6 player servers and his for custom servers. He may have seen your code and what you were trying to achieve. In the process, he may have pieced together how to make it work using his own techniques but this is all just speculation.

Marco tests his mods outside the forums. KF-Argentina said that the doom 3 monsters were released just like that (out of the blue). What people don't know is that they've been in a test server months before, maybe even a year before it was released here in the forums.

I understand you're upset about someone coming up with the same mod. The problem is that you cannot patent an idea. However, you can patent a method and from what I've read, his method is different. I agree with what Braindead said. His custom shop mutator is not only a finished mod but also a polished one. Marco added a similar shop system and the plus is that there is no limit to the number of weapons you can add. I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset like Braindead but I digress.

I hope you'll continue to work on your mod. I don't see why yours can't be used in 6 player servers. Serverperks cannot be whitelisted but in my opinion, yours can but whitelisting's a different matter. I hope that no one walks away because of this misunderstanding.

 

[Marco]

Well if you really wish to know the backstory on that...
I wanted to give serverperks V5 source to Flux before I released it, but before that I wanted to ensure it was working so I asked this French guy to host it on his public server... then bam, less than 24 hours later Flux started accusing the French guy for stealing.

So... at this point on I was pretty much forced to release the mutator before any rumors started off.

Flux: The Private Messages, are PRIVATE. For reason being I get so many help requests all the time, it's hard for me to stay calm with everyone who doesn't get it the first time.
Every time someone posts my private rant into public, I feel that much less willing to help anyone in the future (you would pretty much agree after going through this for about 10 years, it is very demotivational).

 

[braindead]

Is all good in da hood now

NO, it isn't all good in the hood now mate. It may be for you but this community has now lost THE best coder we could have wished for, so yeh thanks for that

Mate don't worry honestly. Wouldn't make a difference lol.

Is this what someone REALLY would like to be told? Wht annoyed me was I had that only and suddenly it's out. I pretty much had no help from him when I was asking general questions so I can learn myself. Another example of why I was annoyed was when I made the level message (ok I had a little problem with getting online to work) but then Marco when and implemented this into his ServerPerks and suddenly now with the custom characters. I haven't checked out his new scoreboard but I have a funny feeling he has used that too. This is why I felt so stupid and fooled that he could "nick" what I have potentially done. .

Just quoting you here Flux, to show how Hunter has turned you and wound you up.
Remember this is the guy that threw his doll out of the pram and said, I am no longer going to post updates on these forums because I received a negative on my first post. HUH?????? so???????

He wound you up and offended Marco, calling him a thief without having all of the information.

Marco, was not being offensive to your mod Flux, it's just his way of talking to people. He was just trying to express his concern that you will have issues with your mod if you continue that route and don't worry I know, he doesn't really make it clear enough what you should do but he may not have the time to explain it thoroughly, plus can you imagine how hard it is to explain coding fundamentals in a pm? so he came up with an alternative, create his own and show how it should be done.
No harm in that, as the community get's what they need and they also get a correctly, 100% working version.

You also get the chance to release a separate version for those who do not want the full serverperks thing.
Can't see what the problem is but I can see that Hunter is winding you up. If he wants to be a glory hound and have the whole community revere him and bow at his feet, then goody for him, it just won't win him any favours, however if you just want to make mods that people can enjoy, carry on regardless, it's up to you.

Edit.

Sorry Marco, was typing at the same time as you

 

[FluX]

Ok I admit I have been a tad "harsh" but I have quite a lot going on for myself currently and I didn't mean any harm at all. yes Marco I really can imagen how much PM's you get etc but like you said, if you had atleast contacted me before then I would of had NO problems at all. The way it was all done it did seem like stealing in a small way. Marco a quick solution to what you said, PM me saying the situation and and about the "rumour" and I could of gladly edited my post. I was told AND mislead by someone on my steam showing me a picture with MY files being downloaded WITH his underneath. If I can get the picture back I will show you all why I got so confused. This was my point previously...just some communcation and things were mislead.

Marco honestly I am sorry and I hope you understand why I was so annoyed and this person didn't tell me about the testing for you UNTIL he read my thread about the encrypting. This person was not showing me any source or anything to prove that it wasn't mine. Just before this he should the picture of the files downloaded (cache) making me think they've nicked my stuff the person been on my server before their mates (the french guy).

 

[dangercake]

that was me, i was showing him a screenshot and it got misleading. I actually showed him a screenshot of the actually character on the "French" guys server then he asked me what files did he used. I tried looking for the files so i took a pic of the cache. The Top of the Cache is Flux Server and the Bottom was The "French" Guys server. Flux misunderstood and thought those were all the files in The "French" Guys server. So yeah, just try to figure this situation that has been taken out of hand.