KF Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Should I level my parks with "level maps?"

[doctorAdri]

Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Should I level my parks with "level maps?"

Hello guys, long time KF player (many many years) but never invested too much in the game although appreciating it greatly.

So I have about 100hours logged into the game the last 2-4 years and I have one level 6 perk one 5 and 4s and 3s ands 2s.
I didn't mind and I actually liked that even if it was slow.

I remember at some point that all the modifications where whitelisted , meaning you could level with any map and mod right?Also leveling with those, kf level maps.

So TLDR :
My questions.
1)Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Just out of curiosity, since their stance on this was different before?
2)Do you think I should level using the "leveling perk mod maps"?It is tempting but isn't it much more legit to level on your own?
3)Do you think it was good or bad that this can happen?Since now somebody might be level 6 without much experience in the game really.But then again people maybe want to experience suicidial etc.

Can you guys give me a brief history of these things and your opinions?Thanks

 

[Grail]

I won't go into the how or why, since I probably have about as much of a clue as you do, but I'll go into the "should"?

Level your perks organically, in the traditional manner. Being level 6 doesn't mean squat if you didn't do it properly, and the problem is that too many players out there with level 6 perks that have ground out the levels on a levelling map suddenly join Sui/HoE games and have no clue whatsoever about how to play the game. Leveling the perks is also about learning the game, and the tactics and strategies inherent in it.

There is no shame in being a low level and working honestly to get better.

 

[vealck]

1)Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Just out of curiosity, since their stance on this was different before?

Maintaining a whitelist requires updates. I suppose TWI decided that they have better things to do.

2)Do you think I should level using the "leveling perk mod maps"?It is tempting but isn't it much more legit to level on your own?

I think you shouldn't.

3)Do you think it was good or bad that this can happen?Since now somebody might be level 6 without much experience in the game really.But then again people maybe want to experience suicidial etc.

It's bad because a lot of scrubs think that having level 6 is enough to play harder difficulties and their ignorance of game mechanics usually results in a disaster for the rest of the team. Game knowledge is way more important than perk level. A smart level 1 sharp can kill safely a 6man hoe scrake with just dual handcannons. Level 6 scrub sharp can fail it with a crossbow.

 

[drfeelgoodmd]

I have a friend I got into the game last summer. He only level perks when I'm not on. He ONLY plays normal maps when I'm on and when I'm on he only uses his Level 6's. I can tell it has impacted him especially on harder difficulties.

 

[Rainman89]

Speaking of Whitelisting i would really like to see the Dub Neon Weapon Replacer get Whitelisted i really like alot of the weapons this should have been in the DLC.

[url]https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370916335&searchtext=[/URL]

The Neon pup is my favorite for the Commando.

 

[Skell]

Speaking of Whitelisting i would really like to see the Dub Neon Weapon Replacer get Whitelisted i really like alot of the weapons this should have been in the DLC.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370916335&searchtext=https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370916335&searchtext=

The Neon pup is my favorite for the Commando.

Well that was relevant to the thread.

Anyways, no, if you want to learn how the play you should go through the difficulties while leveling up regularly.

 

[DMN666]

My questions.
1)Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Just out of curiosity, since their stance on this was different before?
2)Do you think I should level using the "leveling perk mod maps"?It is tempting but isn't it much more legit to level on your own?
3)Do you think it was good or bad that this can happen?Since now somebody might be level 6 without much experience in the game really.But then again people maybe want to experience suicidial etc.

Can you guys give me a brief history of these things and your opinions?Thanks

1) Whitelisting is still in the game, they only removed it for maps, dont get that confused, we cant have players 100% the whole game with a single mutator. If you are referring to mutators as well, they only removed blacklisting for them, mutators still have white & non.

TWI wanted to have the freedom to let players play on any map and allow perk progression. Originally, TWI would have a submission thread, and there would be about a large amount of additions. Not only does TWI have to maintain new or updated maps, they have to also go through several outdated and exploited maps and de-whitelist those maps.
This also effects mappers, its more better for them to have their maps played on immediately on servers, instead of a few servers due to it not being whitelisted. TWI & pretty much everyone was aware that there would be farming maps. We can't have the good with out the bad evening it out.

(Blacklisting is removed from mutators since its not cool to be put to lvl 0 on all your perks because of 1 mut. Also as stated with the maps, submissions. sorting and all that junk.)

2) This is a question thats up to you, we can give you decent argument as to why & why not. For example, if you are already a good player and played for a long time, go ahead and farm your perks. If your new or mid player, then I recommend you don't. You shouldn't learn to ride a bike without training wheels. I have 1,246 hrs on KF and only have 3 lvl 6 perks (but this is because i purposely de-whitelisted my game). I still suck on suicidal (Im casual, I dont do researches to be MLG pro) Do i have enough time or interest to lvl 6 all my perks the fair way? No. Well I farm my perks? Maybe... except one, just because.

3) As i said, there can't be good without the bad. I think its for the best, and map whitelisting would have been removed eventually.
Screw those faux players, they can still be kicked either way

@Rainman89: The neon weapon pack is already heavily disliked, also its not up to TWI but the creator to submit it to a submission thread prior to a update. If you didnt noticed, KF probably wont get another update any time soon.
And as Skell said, irrelevant.

 

[Rainman89]

@Rainman89: The neon weapon pack is already heavily disliked, also its not up to TWI but the creator to submit it to a submission thread prior to a update. If you didnt noticed, KF probably wont get another update any time soon.
And as Skell said, irrelevant.

Why was it disliked and i wouldn't say heavily because it got 4 Stars from 178 people that isn't bad beats 2 stars or even 1 star.

[url]https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370916335[/URL]

 

[Kuebic]

Why was it disliked and i wouldn't say heavily because it got 4 Stars from 178 people that isn't bad beats 2 stars or even 1 star.

I believe DMN666 was referring to the Neon Weapons DLC. When it first came out, the forum here was astounded by the amount of (or lack of) apparent effort that went into it compared to the other weapon reskin dlcs.

 

[Rainman89]

I believe DMN666 was referring to the Neon Weapons DLC. When it first came out, the forum here was astounded by the amount of (or lack of) apparent effort that went into it compared to the other weapon reskin dlcs.

I thought he was talking about the Mod but i agree about the DLC $7.99 for 4 Neon weapons they could have done better and added more to the pack making it worth the price.

 

[nejcooo]

Simple answer: because some whitelisted maps had exploits so leveling was easy anyway.

 

[naksiloth]

So TLDR :
My questions.
1)Why was the whitelist limitation removed?Just out of curiosity, since their stance on this was different before?
2)Do you think I should level using the "leveling perk mod maps"?It is tempting but isn't it much more legit to level on your own?
3)Do you think it was good or bad that this can happen?Since now somebody might be level 6 without much experience in the game really.But then again people maybe want to experience suicidial etc.

Can you guys give me a brief history of these things and your opinions?Thanks

1) Getting a map in a whitelist is a tidy job. Also exploits and unexpected small details might make some maps unplayable or a chore.

2) In my opinion... No.
If you try to level up with a shortcut you never learn to pull a combo or even headshot properly. Do it with the good old way; by playing the game and watching gameplay videos. Enjoy your time, learn from others, work as a team.
Wanna level up somehow faster? Decap and kill Bloats with strong perk related weapons for juicy damage point bonuses. Having a high level medic helps about leveling up most of the perks because of bile resistance and sturdy armor bonus.

3) You spend more time in a game if you don't level up hastily, which grants you a bit more experience than a speed-leveler when you reach level6. A speed-leveler will try to join high difficulty servers and miserably fail as a teammate, generally ended up getting kicked. That causes him to quit game altogether, even faster without taking joy from teamwork.

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@Rainman89: Still irrelevant, if you like the pack so much; open your own thread.

 

[Rainman89]

@Rainman89: Still irrelevant, if you like the pack so much; open your own thread.

I remember at some point that all the modifications where whitelisted , meaning you could level with any map and mod right?Also leveling with those, kf level maps.

The thread is about Whitelisting so it has minor relevance while it has nothing to do with maps in particular it's still relevant to Whitelisting. Plus i'm not going to make a thread because it will either be shot down and a waste of time or nobody will be bothered to reply to the thread and still be a waste of time. Good day sir!

 

[infntnub]

Don't use power leveling maps... most of the fun in this game is when your perks are low level and surviving is truly at a premium.

Things get too comfortable in a hurry after a few levels. Enjoy the ride, level legitly.

 

[Rainman89]

Most of the fun in this game is when your perks are low level and surviving is truly at a premium.

You don't have to be just low level to have fun and survive you can be level 6 and still get cobbed on HoE or Suicidal depending on the split second choices you make even with a good team and it is scary when you make the wrong choice, if you make the wrong choice and hopefully nobody makes the wrong choice especially twice in a match. I do agree not use Leveling maps so that you can get familiar with the perk but i would suggest anyone to use a leveling map for Support Specialists wielding cause that takes forever to level.