Why so much arguing?

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Lucan946

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Would you buy the game if they would add clowns with M249's n sh*t?

So, a German model with a balclava headwrap which does look awfully similair to the ones posted above and could easily just be a mistake by the modeler who assumed it was balclava and an MkB 42 which was admittedly almost certainly not at Stalingrad, which TWI recognizes and says "**** it, whatevs, it's a cool gun which had a tinnnnny possibility of being present" (because seriosuly, since when has RO ever been 100% historically accurate?), with a scope attachment which the weapon did actually have and with a bayonet which I suppose he could have gotten on there... somehow? Point is it's not ridicolous is equivalant to having clowns with light machine-guns from 40 years in the future?

Wat.

EDIT: TWI needs an excsorcist up in here
 
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heady89

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I was actually more worried about the mp40 dual mag then the MKb the game was balanced enough with the 32clip mp40 it was just a different style then the ppsh. The dual mag unlock reminds of battlefield and cod unlocks, I like how RO is now, everyone starts off equal and those saying that they can be disabled need to stop. The devs havent yet specified what the server options will be only to trust them, which I will but the community will get split into 2 groups either way.

They've already mentioned that you can limit and disable them,
now i ain't gonna dig up the quote for you, if you want it find it yourself.

As for the splitting, its an old and ridiculous argument, its as if every piece of option is a bad thing in your mind and I do find this extremely weird in this day and age. Instead of being happy about everything TWI does, folks here actually suggest that we get a locked down game in the same sense as most games today and that it would somehow make wonders for the game.

Key points:
*You can still play the game as you want with your preferred options and you don't have to care about the other servers nor the other folks who don't play the way you want to.

*If there wasn't any decent options and/or realism settings on the server-side it most certainly wouldn't increase the population of the RO community, nor would it keep folks around for a longer period of time if they can't play the way they want.
 
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monster

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What trips me out is that you guys are arguing about a tube scarf when there are fundamental gameplay changes going on that will alter the re-playability factor that RO has/had.

Bigger fish to fry, but unfortunately, require more effort, and will be ignored.

Now on to something totally different:
 

Leo4444

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They added things that could possibly have been tested in Stalingrad. If you have evidence that not one single MP40II was tested there, then that's fine. As well, every single player won't be running around with an MP40II. Classes are still limited, therefore it will be barely any. Especially if it's only useable by the Hero slot.

Lastly, an MP40II is still an MP40, simply with a bit faster reload. It isn't a drum magazine. To balance it even further, they could make it so after you use both clips it takes longer to reload than a normal, as it probably would.

In the end of the day, it still fires the same bullets, and it's still a fairly inaccurate sub-machine gun.

They never said the mp40II was only a hero weapon, they just said they added it to balance the game more. Also a lot things could have been tested. How about you find me evidence that it was used at Stalingrad. Also like I said before the game was already balanced. Im still waiting though until they specify more about unlocks, heroes, and server options. Sorry I appear as being rude thats not my intention and I will get the game either way i just hate how devs in general try to appease to a larger crowd . Also this isnt directed at you but people that keep saying just mod the game yourself! are getting a little annoying and I bet they never modded anything before.
 
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Colt .45 killer

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It should also be added to the general topic here that "realism" is a damned subjective word.

When advertising for call of duty you will hear the word "realism" mentioned a LOT. In the trailers and dev diaries of Farcry 2 the word realism was used a lot. Again in the development of this game, and its predecessor the use of the word happens everywhere. Futher up the spectrum is the ARMA series, yes they also use that word. However all of these games arent aimed at the same mark, which should be blatantly obvious.

In my humble opinion Farcry and call of duty use realism to say "visuals", farcry two was a beautiful game in all visual respects; bullets ceasing to exist, unless fired from a scoped weapon, at 50 meters is utter bull*hit(FC2). The Red Orchestra series, to me, has always used "realism" to mean basically " Combat realism ". Ergo, " All aspects of combat will be as close as possible to their realistic counterparts ", with the exception that death is replaced with combat ineffective, so that you arent forced to crawl, or sit on the battlefield bleeding out.
Doing some digging on these here forums will reveal that a LOT of effort has been made to ensure that "Combat realism" is met, balance is not made by changing the weapons from their real counterparts, but by making those weapons realistic and also giving proper issuing rates. The ppsh balances out the lighter Russian mg capacity against the heavier German MG34 and 42.
On a secondary tier is visual realism, being able to see the inside of your tank is very immersive, and adds to the combat realism. I would also place the map design being based on real world tours of the locations here.
On a third and slightly less important tier is historical accuracy. I'd bet money that TWI would never re create a battle where one side was absolutely slaughtered, boy that would sure be a heck of a lot of fun to loose every time! They've stated many times that there is a balance between game and historical accuracy. This is where the tradeoff happens. I am also very sure if they had the time and resources they WOULD get every button and rivet right, as well as having the beards of all soldiers trimmed to regulation length, and making sure of *ETC*.

TF2 is a hat/clothing simulator, RO2 is a ww2 combat simulator, and there still exists no WW2 clothing/hat/rivet simulator (Im sure there is market in that kind of a game amongst re-enactors).

The best thing the re-enactors could do to help in this case would be to take the offending screenshots, edit them to point out any errors. Take pictures of your combat uniforms that are correct ( God help any of you if you send in wrong info and have it corrected by another! ). And take even more pictures of exactly what needs to be corrected, then email that to TWI. Save them the expense of the research and this stuff may make it in before release, or in future tweaks.
 

Actin

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They should add the IS2!
Since the IS2 has been in this universe since the IS2 himself created it, it definately exists. Also the IS2 is inside everyone and every believer is inside the IS2, this also is the case when playing a video game.

Therefore the IS2 must have been the awesome defender of Stalingrad and must be added to the game.

May 7thGuard, our beloved prophet, smite those who suggest otherwise

:IS2:
 

Derpus

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They never said the mp40II was only a hero weapon, they just said they added it to balance the game more

Nor did I; that's why I said "especially if."

How about you find me evidence that it was used at Stalingrad. Also like I said before the game was already balanced.

The Battle of Stalingrad was one of the biggest cluster**** battles in the history of humankind; you're free to find me info that they didn't test the MP40II there and I can look for info that they did. I'm sure we'll both be searching in vain, as wars tend to have a lot of information left out.

You're right though, there is still a lot of stuff we don't know about the new mechanics so I guess we can only wait.



They should add the IS2!
Since the IS2 has been in this universe since the IS2 himself created it, it definately exists. Also the IS2 is inside everyone and every believer is inside the IS2, this also is the case when playing a video game.

Therefore the IS2 must have been the awesome defender of Stalingrad and must be added to the game.

May 7thGuard, our beloved prophet, smite those who suggest otherwise

:IS2:

False. The IS2 is too holy for ever pleb to immerse their body into; we must savor the flavor of IS2 and use them sparingly. Only then may we find salvation.
 
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Colt .45 killer

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They should add the IS2!
Since the IS2 has been in this universe since the IS2 himself created it, it definately exists. Also the IS2 is inside everyone and every believer is inside the IS2, this also is the case when playing a video game.

Therefore the IS2 must have been the awesome defender of Stalingrad and must be added to the game.

May 7thGuard, our beloved prophet, smite those who suggest otherwise

:IS2:


... not the time or the place ....
 
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Uffz.Juschkat

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Regarding the German "ninja", it doesn't look like a balaclava to me, and that simply because you can clearly see that the entire forehead is uncovered. It's simply a German toque pulled up over the mouth & nose to protect against frostbite, just as the two guys below:


Furthermore I own one of these toques myself, and mine has such a long neck piece that you can actually pull up together so far in both directions that you'll have only a small slit for your eyes, and STILL there is enough fabric to keep the neck covered. Putting on a helmet will keep it perfectly in place.

Here you go as I promised... as you can see mine is an original and its a bit loose, so it CANNOT look anything like the mentioned soldier. Now just color my balaclava green hmmm... looks VERY similar to the soldier.
 

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Das Bose

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Here you go as I promised... as you can see mine is an original and its a bit loose, so it CANNOT look anything like the mentioned soldier. Now just color my balaclava green hmmm... looks VERY similar to the soldier.



ROFLMAO!!

You sit around at home in a ww2 german uniform and you want people to take you seriously?

On a more serious note though, who cares about balaclavas e.t.c ? This is a videogame and it's all about the gameplay.

By the time you've got your kit on the map will have changed.
 

Uffz.Juschkat

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ROFLMAO!!

You sit around at home in a ww2 german uniform and you want people to take you seriously?

On a more serious note though, who cares about balaclavas e.t.c ? This is a videogame and it's all about the gameplay.

By the time you've got your kit on the map will have changed.

YOU ARE REALLY TESTING MY PATIENCE! I just got done with a 14 hr mother trucking stressful shift and you want to say I sit around in my uniform like an idiot. Yes it is about game play, but why not make the uniforms correct?
I threw on the tunic and helmet to illustrate what I'm talking about. I did what I said I was going to do.
 
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MrLebanon

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ROFLMAO!!

You sit around at home in a ww2 german uniform and you want people to take you seriously?

On a more serious note though, who cares about balaclavas e.t.c ? This is a videogame and it's all about the gameplay.

By the time you've got your kit on the map will have changed.

he said he would post a pic of what the uniform looks like earlier in the thread
he did

I'm no WW2 buff.. but show some respect at least


after thought:
Juschkat ... nice uniform :D
 
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Actin

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... not the time or the place ....

The following quote shows how it is the perfect time and place for some lighthearted thoughts into this topic.

Also, why do you think I am not serious about the IS2:rolleyes:

ROFLMAO!!

You sit around at home in a ww2 german uniform and you want people to take you seriously?

On a more serious note though, who cares about balaclavas e.t.c ? This is a videogame and it's all about the gameplay.

By the time you've got your kit on the map will have changed.
 
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Oldih

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I'll tell you what, when I get home I'm taking some pictures of me with a balaclava and with my original togue... You WILL see the difference.

It still doesn't really change the fact it is possible to setup touge in such manner that it will look like a ski\facemask, even though the bigger problem (hypothetically) is the relation of model and touge as there's no friction, gravity, heat expansion, streching or any other kind of physical effects modelled, hence it looks like it's "glued" onto it, hence more like a proper mask.

If you look carefully at that "swat-ninja" picture on the right side of the face (left from "his" point of view) you can see a clear gap in there unlike the picture of yours.
 

Das Bose

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YOU ARE REALLY TESTING MY PATIENCE! I just got done with a 14 hr mother trucking stressful shift and you want to say I sit around in my uniform like an idiot. Yes it is about game play, but why not make the uniforms correct?
I threw on the tunic and helmet to illustrate what I'm talking about. I did what I said I was going to do.


You don't like my attitude? Then you know what I think of yours towards my soon to be favourite game. This entire thread about some piece of cloth in a game full of guns, explosives and tanks. Not a waste of time at all.
 
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I want to add one more thing, it seems like TWI really tries to piss certain people off by including the Mkb.42 in nearly every media outlet. :D

I believe TWI tries to make RO2 more attractive to War At War crowd, where Americans could run with STG44s, not to piss of Red Orchestra fans...:rolleyes:

I still hope to satisfied all kind of potential customers, TWI releases game with proper server options to customize gameplay just like you want it.
 

The Algerian

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Personnally all I hope is for the weapons to be as restricted as they were in ROOST.
I wouldn't like being the only guy on the server running around with a simple Mosin/Kar rifle.
 
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