Omg, not again, Cpt-Praxius.
OMG UBERS!!!1111!!! NOES!!!!
Yes again..... you keep repeating the same crap, and I will do the same, don't like it? You know what you can do about it. Don't blame me for the crap you start.
I asked my friends and summarized problems.
It is pointless to explain something to you, Cpt-Praxious, since your arguments are always weak. Your overall experience in playing games is weak to discuss many things.
Ah, well that's a wonderful way of winning an argument.
Don't bother to ever point out any part of my arguments or reasons as being flawed and show off to everybody just how wrong I am.
Nope... just generalize and sum up that they're weak and I guess we'll all just believe you.
You have no idea about my gaming or what I know, so don't even try to act like you do.
If my arguments are weak, show how they are and stop wasting my time. I'd completely chewed the living crap out of your arguments, explained why and used examples how...... yet you're too lazy to even defend yourself properly to counter my arguments, let alone too lazy to debate any of my own arguments except by trying to pass them off as being "weak"
Sorry, just because you say so, doesn't make it so.... welcome to the real world where people know how to think properly and just don't let people spoon feed them crap all the time.
You even can't assume, that people, who don't like the game for specified reasons DON'T VOTE in our polls.
That's not my problem.... you create a poll in a forum for the game and people who come to these forums generally like the game, thus you're asking us, not the people who are not here, come off it and stop being so silly.
You want to know what people who don't like the game want in the game so they can start liking it?
Go find them and ask them, then come back to us. Until then all you have are the polls here (which prove the greater majority of people don't like your ideas) and your own hearsay of what you claim "Your Friends" want or don't want.
That's what I call a "Weak Argument" ~ Best go learn what that is and get back to me.
The thing is, you are not accepting the fact, that currently Red Orchestra is nearly FAILED project in commercial terms. FAILED means cost of developing exceeds money collected by selling it.
Really? And you know this how?
Please provide me with some sources to backup your claims, otherwise quit wasting my time.
As I have already said, if there is any damage in sales and profit, it's got more to do with the lack of marketing there was for the product where much of it was restricted in gaming magazines and Steam. You're not going to get a big audience unless you get the word out there better.... this is a given.
This I am not stating as a fact, but common sense in this type of industry and being someone who has post secondary education on the matter..... what do you got?
Assumptions you assume are facts with nothing backup them up.
And yet you keep telling me I'm the one with weak arguments.... you haven't provided squat yet.
Thats why developers turned into right direction by adding more options.
You are not accepting the fact, that, by adding OPTIONAL(!) features game could only WIN, since it cover wide area of player preferences.
You said you tried many mentioned games and most suggestion don't work there. Also, you said you don't like these games.
Experienced reader could wonder, HOW you managed to decide it, if you don't play them a lot. (unless you are masochist and playing games, which you don't like).
So most of your points comes into "This idea is crap, because I don't like it".
Well duh.... that is why I have continually stated I am expressing my "opinions" and backing those opinions up with logical reasoning and common sense.... I'm not coming on here trying to act like I'm some big
spokesman for a bunch of people for all we know, you made up to further your baseless propaganda for pointless and useless little trinkets that will only sell out the game to be just like all the other ones out there.
I played these mentioned games long enough to know what I like and what I don't like about them. I've played Counter Strike since it first came out for years before I found something better.... I played BF2 for the last number of years because my room mate suggest I get it and since I paid for it, I figured I'd try and get my money's worth out of it.
Some games I played for years to give them an extreme chance at winning me over, some I played for months, and a couple I played for only a couple of days.
I don't need to take the friggin game to a labratory and do all sorts of scientific tests on it to confirm if I like it or not..... I play it.... once I am sick of it, I am sick of it and I have my reasons why.
And those reasons are as already explained.
Not an assumption since nade spamming happened plenty in the mod days and still happens plenty in Ost, esspecially with new players, which was pretty much the whole reason why grenades for specific classes were greatly reduced through updates through the mod and finalization in Ost.
The first thing one does when you see a crowd of the enemy is take out a grenade and toss it their way to get an easy 3-4 kills. Once more people see this happen, then you have more grenades being tossed..... and with ammo crates on maps in Ost, this can be done more and more.
And having only one life?
Not even including regular gun fire, tanks, arty, etc..... these matches would last only seconds unless you had a team mate or two camping and hiding somewhere.
Which isn't fun.
Answering to your question is quite pointless, since you are not accepting any valid arguments.
But wait, let me try:
It helps on other games. Americas army2/3 for example. On some small maps deadly grenade-spams could have a place, but it never kills all.
(Unfortunatly aa3 is lagged/bugged game atm).
It never kills all all the time, but I've gotten 6 with one before followed by three other team mates who got another 7 with the four they tossed..... but even if not all were killed, the majority of whom who were killed with their one life, now gotta sit around with their thumb up their arses until the round is over.
I accept valid arguments, so long as they're valid.
But you still have not answered my question fully. You claim grenade spams couldn't kill your whole team then use some really vauge example of a game that is nothing like RO... and use that as valid justification.... yet how does this one life situation help team play any differently then the current system other then piss the other players off who have died and gotta sit it out for a 60 min round while one or two clowns run around doing their own thing?
People leave servers like that..... I know I do, because I paid for a game I want to play, I didn't pay for a game that just let's me watch other people play, or worse.... a blank screen.
People who used to just stare at blank TV's in the old days were considered crazy.... what would you classify this as where you pay for a game that after you die once, you sit there staring at a blank screen for 15-60 minutes at a time only to end up doing it again after 20 seconds of game play?
Say goodbye to new players and old players when that happens. I already was fed up with Warsaw's 45 second spawn wait for a small, close quarters map, I avoided that map with a passion. The map itself was decently laid out and the classes were fun to play, but the 45 seconds of sitting there doing nothing was too much and I went off to play other things.
Make the whole game that way and I won't play the game, it's as simple as that.
They are not playing RO because of these things, thats why you don't hear many complains.
Well if they don't voice themselves or put their name on some signed petition, I couldn't give a crap what you say they say, because it's all hearsay, which means for all we know, you're making it up.
Ever since I've been following Red Orchestra for UT2k4, not once have I heard of any of these crazy ideas being brought up until now and by two or three members alone against everybody else saying they disagree. If these were as big of an issue as you claim they are, how come they are only being brought up now, when back when it was a mod and all these things were the same, nobody said anything in the UT forums, or the RO forums, or any of the other forums for UT mods during the contest that won Tripwire their spot they have now.
RO won the contest because of how it was made, how the gameplay was like, and by many others who played many other games and mods for UT appreciating the hard work and all the effort they put into this game for it's realism and unique look from the actual UT game.
It's originality compared to every other game out there is what made them what they are now, and now we have people like you coming in here trying to take the whole damn thing and nerf it into some mutated Call of Duty, Americas Army, Battlefield 2 rip off.
What needs to be done is have better marketing and stick to the way things are going now..... keep it original and unique, don't screw around and try to copy some other hack of a game.
Now go check forum about complains about these things from people, who actually PLAY RO.
Already did and I already do play it, so I qualify, no matter how much you want to stomp your feet and ignore what's being told to you.
First you say I hardly play the game (wrong) then you claim I haven't been a part of the community long enough to know what I'm talking about (wrong) and now you're trying to claim I don't play the game at all to know what I am talking about (wrong.)
Keep digging yourself that hole.
Invalid questions. Referenced threads had complete explanations.
No they don't because I already posted and read that thread as well and it would seem some decided to take one thing out, but think it's perfectly fine to leave the other aspect in. I asked why you think this is logical and if you don't have an answer then it must not be logical and you have no justification other then to focus the game more towards your style of gameplay without actually considering other players.
That's the difference between you and I. I consider the game as it currently is, how I like it, and what others like...... all you consider is what suits you and your make-believe friends so they you can be better at the game and provide no logical or sensible
explanations to back up your ideas except claim anybody who doesn't agree with you has "Weak arguments"
Face it, you're simply not going to win this.
I don't ask you to debate.
Then stick to Private Messages with your imaginary pals and don't create a public thread for anybody to comment on. You asked for it when you made the thread spamming more of your other threads that have already been rejected by the majority.
Don't like it? Don't like having people not agree with you?
Awwww.... Didd'ims, here's a muffin.
Don't you mean "How would you know?"
Most people don't play RO because of these things.
And you know how? Sources? Studies? Polls?
Don't worry, I don't expect you to give me an actual answer or sources, since you haven't yet..... we just have to take your word on it
Thanks god you are not in dev team, and devs are disagree with you.
Wow, you like know talk good Devs and Devs No me Ideas, Me's Says.
English damit, can you type it??
Pulling more imaginary people talking to you out of your head again? You seem to have the George Bush Jr. Syndrome of "Staying the Course" when everybody shows you the cliff and you just keep going, ignoring all the facts & common sense in front of you and making things up as you go to justify your position, which always make even less sense then before.
They Devs's disagree with me and my ideas?
I never once claimed to be speaking for them, but it seems now you are their spokesman and you know exactly what they agree with and don't.
But if that's the case, and you have first hand contact with them and know what they want and don't want in the game..... why did you need to create a thread like this directing these dumb ideas to their attention to put in in the first place when you could have just called them up on your Bat Phone?
This has gotten so silly now, it's lost all meaning.... thanks for the entertainment though.
But your "suggestions" are funny. Its like: 1. don't change this. 2. don't change that. 3. don't change it.
You're point? Oh that's right, you never have one.
No please don't, since it seems all you did was link a bunch of other threads with a bunch of other random ideas and have yet to still prove or show a point to any of your arguments.
A monkey can do that.... heck even I could do that.... but what's your point with these links?
Someone could spend hours or days going through all these threads and their pages just to still not know wtf you're going on about.
All I see are various ideas for team play.... I already agree that better team play is required, but the ideas bounce all over the play and in each thread you have people who like and don't like a paticular idea..... all you did was flod this topic with more friggin threads to futher attempt to cloud the debate/topic at hand and try and make your position more clouded so that you can try and sqirm your way out of a position of being wrong.
