Why is classic mode so dead?
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Hmm... this is a reasonable explanation, @svgamer. MG Zoom as a carrot for machine-gunners to make them properly use their weapons. It makes sense.
I like it and I withdraw my complaint. Better this than having J.Rambos.
I like it and I withdraw my complaint. Better this than having J.Rambos.
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I never wanted it and I never liked the RO1 feel, thus I don't play Classic very often. RO2's Realism mode gives me that RO:CA Feel, which I prefer over the RO1 feel
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...is huge.
I very rarely (if ever) see team members shooting enemy weapons on classic. Which is a big relief to me.
^ Pretty much my view as well.... the above issues is what turned me off from RO1 in the first place, coming from ROCA..... sure stamina, recoil and weapon sway was a challenge in ROCA, but when RO1 came about, stamina, recoil and weapon sway just got worse, didn't match anything I've ever experienced while handling a bolt rifle and sucked the immersion right out the air lock for me.....
And the slow speed and lack of stamina in RO1 just gave me the feeling that my character didn't give a damn about living and spent the last two months sitting at home and being lazy...... he ran slow and then when he ran out of energy in about 10 seconds of running, he just stopped running and took a leisure stroll through the battlefield like it was any other day.
Sorry, I don't care how cold, how hungry or how tired I am.... if I have bullets and grenades flying at my head, I'm going to run and move as fast as I can, regardless if my heart feels like it's going to explode if I don't take a break...... I'd rather risk the chance of collapse from exhaustion or die of a heart attack, than risk the chance of getting a bullet in the brain due to stopping in the middle of an open area and deciding to take a walk because my character decided right then and there that he needed a break.
Which is why I am not a big fan of Classic and prefer Realism.
Yes, ROCA had similar stamina reactions, such as suddenly no longer running but walking/jogging..... but the stamina limit was higher and wasn't as much of a problem as it was in RO1.
I am astounded that people talk about which mode they prefer when the game tells them where the enemy is in every mode.
The bigger fish remain unfried.
The bigger fish remain unfried.
LOL! that's a great way to look at it! we would have to be dropping dead, to stop running, twenty feet from the safety of a life-saving trench!
i'm guessing your talking about the peripheral indicators. i notive i've been more and more aware of them lately and it feels like cheating.
the time for a fish fry has come!
Well, if I was getting shot at, I'd have so much adrenalin that I would suspend the laws of physics and simply teleport into cover.
"Adrenalin" is just a hormone fellas. There's only so much performance you can squeeze out of the human body and the more often you do it, the less effective it is.
No, they'd probably run better and for longer than most of us because that was pretty much their daily routine.
Someone who daily moves pallets of stock using a manual jack will be accustomed to that routine than someone who never did it before. Back when I did stock at a local grocery store during night shift, I suffered a crap load the first week of moving pallets using the manual jack and then after that it was easy as hell to do because my body adjusted.
Soldiers are trained and deal with the above on a daily basis. They can handle the equipment, the weight, the terrain, etc. a hell of a lot better than someone who fiddled with watch repair.
Someone who lived all their life in the cold and snow will deal with the cold and snow better than someone who lived all their life in a tropical area of the world. Someone who's spent days/weeks/months in combat will deal with getting shot at and risking their life slightly better than someone who was just tossed onto the battlefield and never had real combat experience.
This is all common sense.
Adrenaline is a wonderful thing that helps keep you alive and gives you the energy you need to stay alive, regardless if you're hungry or sleep deprived.... anybody who's been a new parent with a child that keeps you up & you only get 2-3 hours of sleep and then have to work an 8+ hour shift, day in and day out still can do their job that's expected of them, because you gotta do what you gotta do..... I personally don't eat breakfast, don't have lunch and the first chance I get to eat anything all day is around 6-7pm in the evening and that's usually all I do end up eating until the next day, yet I still perform my job to the best of my ability, I do all the required labour work I am expected to do (haul large rolls of paper/vinyl, manually opening/closing loading doors, handling large panels of steel/aluminum for signage, sign installations, etc.)
And as I've said in the past, I'm not the most fit person on the planet, but I handle things on a regular basis that are far more heavier than a rifle, ammo or a bag of equipment on my back.... and I'm not someone who eats three square meals a day or gets a full 8 hour sleep every night.
These soldiers are not Holocaust Prisoners..... they're soldiers, and while they didn't fight in the best of conditions, they weren't a bunch of homeless refugees begging on the streets for food scraps like some in here continually make them out to be.
That is why TW created the "custom" mode. An admin can control if the peripheral indicators are there, if enemy show up in the HUD, the compass, in tactical, in map, or not at all. I just find it a shame that there are few servers that tweak any settings at all....
Which Red Orchestra? Ostfront or Combined Arms??
RO2 brought back what I loved about Combined Arms and took the greater majority of the Ostfront features I hated out. *edited*
Well we all know the value of the polls in these forums, and considering the majority of the polls for Classic mode (or something like Classic Mode) would have brought in the interest of the community who wanted something like that, while those such as myself wouldn't have cared with the poll and most likely didn't even vote..... that's not really a valid argument.
I remember one of the devs mentioning how in previous RO's they made changes to the game based on what polls and other vocal players in the forums said they wanted, only to get a huge backlash from the rest of the community about those changes after the fact.
I think I still remember a few situations back in the mod days where this happened.
Now again we have seen various threads about Classic Mode and how some in here wanted to have RO2 changed into something closer to RO1 and looking at the polls and the number of threads this part of the community posted, it looked like it was the majority of the community who wanted all of this....
..... yet as this thread and a few other threads have clearly shown.... and as the actual statistics and factual information shows after the fact, Classic is the least played game mode, while Action and Realism are the primary game modes most players play & enjoy.
^ Proof again that forum polls amount to crap all and the forum community accounts for a small % of the overall community that plays RO2.
Some in this thread can call all of us CoD n00b - Run & Gun ADHD Twitch Heads all they want.... it doesn't change the reality that they're the minority, playing the least popular game mode that wasn't even supposed to be a part of RO2 in the first place.
If they enjoy Classic, good.... all the power to them and I hope they keep enjoying that game mode, but when the select few Classic players decide to come in here and suggest the rest of us should be forced to play Classic because they know best.... those people can suck a turd from my bum..... and I mean that in the most polite way.
Yes, great counter argument.
Just a Hormone?
Do you even know what they do? Hormones are not an Appendix or Wisdom Teeth in the back of your mouth that do nothing.
They affect pretty much everything about you and what you do.
Educate yourself:
Adrenaline Rush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush
"An adrenaline rush is the fight or flight response of the adrenal gland, in which it releases adrenaline (epinephrine). When releasing adrenaline, one's body releases dopamine which can act as a natural pain killer. An adrenaline rush causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength. It also works with the nervous system to interpret impulses that trigger selective glands."
and:
Epinephrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine
Again, great counter argument.
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That is why TW created the "custom" mode. An admin can control if the peripheral indicators are there, if enemy show up in the HUD, the compass, in tactical, in map, or not at all. I just find it a shame that there are few servers that tweak any settings at all....
QFT many of peoples complaints are simple server side options but yet TWI gets the flak when it should be directed at servers.
Which Red Orchestra? Ostfront or Combined Arms??
RO2 brought back what I loved about Combined Arms and took the greater majority of the Ostfront features I hated.
Well we all know the value of the polls in these forums, and considering the majority of the polls for Classic mode (or something like Classic Mode) would have brought in the interest of the community who wanted something like that, while those such as myself wouldn't have cared with the poll and most likely didn't even vote..... that's not really a valid argument.
I remember one of the devs mentioning how in previous RO's they made changes to the game based on what polls and other vocal players in the forums said they wanted, only to get a huge backlash from the rest of the community about those changes after the fact.
I think I still remember a few situations back in the mod days where this happened.
Now again we have seen various threads about Classic Mode and how some in here wanted to have RO2 changed into something closer to RO1 and looking at the polls and the number of threads this part of the community posted, it looked like it was the majority of the community who wanted all of this....
..... yet as this thread and a few other threads have clearly shown.... and as the actual statistics and factual information shows after the fact, Classic is the least played game mode, while Action and Realism are the primary game modes most players play & enjoy.
^ Proof again that forum polls amount to crap all and the forum community accounts for a small % of the overall community that plays RO2.
Some in this thread can call all of us CoD n00b - Run & Gun ADHD Twitch Heads all they want.... it doesn't change the reality that they're the minority, playing the least popular game mode that wasn't even supposed to be a part of RO2 in the first place.
If they enjoy Classic, good.... all the power to them and I hope they keep enjoying that game mode, but when the select few Classic players decide to come in here and suggest the rest of us should be forced to play Classic because they know best.... those people can suck a turd from my bum..... and I mean that in the most polite way.
Yes, great counter argument.
Just a Hormone?
Do you even know what they do? Hormones are not an Appendix or Wisdom Teeth in the back of your mouth that do nothing.
They affect pretty much everything about you and what you do.
Educate yourself:
Adrenaline Rush
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush[/URL]
"An adrenaline rush is the fight or flight response of the adrenal gland, in which it releases adrenaline (epinephrine). When releasing adrenaline, one's body releases dopamine which can act as a natural pain killer. An adrenaline rush causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength. It also works with the nervous system to interpret impulses that trigger selective glands."
and:
Epinephrine
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine[/URL]
Again, great counter argument.
However classic mode has alleviated the whinge fest that used to be the norm in this forum. Sometimes its just good to have the option in case you want it for a lot of people.
Its funny but the introduction of this mode that nobody plays may have saved the game.
So long as those who wanted this game mode don't continue to get their way by suggesting everybody be forced to play this game mode & nothing else..... that's the only thing that really bugs me.
Keep the game mode, let those who enjoy it continue to play & enjoy it.... tweak & modify it to the way they like so they enjoy it more..... you'll get zero opposition from me in any of that and you'll always get my support, just as those who prefer Action mode would also get my support.
But don't start prancing around the forums with demands that every other game mode should be removed or modified to what they want, completely disregarding what everybody else enjoys playing..... just because your specific game mode isn't getting enough players to your liking.
If the shoe was on the other foot and Classic took over and I was having a real hard time finding Realism servers, I would never come in here demanding everybody be forced to play Realism and to remove all other options simply because I want my game mode to be more popular.
I'd either keep trying to play on the limited servers I can find and enjoy the game as it is, I'd either go out and rent my own server so I could play the game mode I enjoy..... or I'd simply stop playing.
The thing that twists my nipples in this entire conversation about Classic vs. Realism vs. Action is the absolute gull some in here have for trashing all over what I enjoy and even go so far as to demand that what I enjoy should be removed so I'm forced to play something I don't enjoy.
For those people, I give the same attitude back and tell them what I think of their game mode and ask them how they'd feel if what they proposed was done to them instead.... maybe then they'll see how foolish their demands are.... but I doubt it.
Speaking as a n00b (who never really played ROOST that much):
I like them both. I survive longer and rack up more kills in realism and I do like the unlock system as it is a nice little meta-challenge of its own, but then again, the added difficulty of classic is not necessarely a bad thing, it forces me to think ahead and every sprint for cover becomes scariest thing in the world. When choosing a server I just pick one that has plenty of people and as few bots as possible -- no matter which mode.
Jeder nach seiner Fasson!
I like them both. I survive longer and rack up more kills in realism and I do like the unlock system as it is a nice little meta-challenge of its own, but then again, the added difficulty of classic is not necessarely a bad thing, it forces me to think ahead and every sprint for cover becomes scariest thing in the world. When choosing a server I just pick one that has plenty of people and as few bots as possible -- no matter which mode.
Jeder nach seiner Fasson!
Easy for you to say. I put down good money on something I got ~3 hours of fun out of. I spent more for far less of a product than I typically do. I'll voice my opinion whether you approve of it or not.
I'll be honest: I don't care what you enjoy. I'll still strive to get the best out of the money I spent on this title. If you don't like that, too bad. As far as I am concerned, the best thing that can happen to this game is if Classic mode is tweaked and the other two modes are simply thrown out.
Big deal. Game is dead as far as I am concerned. My only hope is that TWI has had poorer sales than expected and in the future makes games that tailored to a specific audience rather than play the "make everyone happy" game as the result was worse from all perspectives.
Classic can use some tweaking, new maps (as all but one are terrible) and a lot of bug fixes but it is the best mode IMO.
I learned my lesson though. I will no longer be buying TWI products unless they are dirt cheap. I no longer have confidence in buying anything with the TWI label on it. I should have canceled my pre-order when I got into the beta, though I gave TWI a chance. Next time (if there is one) I won't.
In all the game modes, including Classic, I can gun down a German MG and take his MG34.... oh no, now I'm a Russian with an enemy's loadout..... that's not real, I'm quitting!!
I also like this little section of an above post as you probably wrote that before you processed it. Might as well have Russians spawn with the German uniform and the corny English accents.
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1) It wasn't the standard Mode. If Classic was called Realism Mode there is no doubt in my mind that more people would have played it. Most servers have been running in Realism Mode since start.
2) Time and date: It’s perfectly possible that Classic Mode was released to late. It was released about seven months after the launch. There is a chance that most of the people who very vocal about changes abandoned the game. I have spoken to people in OST, aswell as RO2, who at first didn't even know Classic Mode was about to be released. Even though I’ve been playing OST for quite a while I would most likely have sold RO2 if I didn't take my time to register on this board. As a matter of fact, the idea behind registering was just to tell my view and then leave. My opinions did however become quite confirmed by other people, so I stayed because I realized things could change. If RO2 was a 'regular FPS' I would of course not have cared about it since it easily could have been replaced by another generic FPS. Unfortunately, you can’t replace RO with any other game.
3. Quick solution: TWI have done a great job with Classic Mode and it really shows that they really listen and care about their customers. I do think that Classsic Mode became something similar to a ''emergency mode'' that had to be released quickly aswell as Action Mode. If this was worked on from the very beginning it would of course have been a lot better. I think it’s very hard to release a solid game mode that quickly. Because honestly, even simple things such as being able to Enter/Exit vehicles isn’t possible yet. A animation (unlike in ost) should have been there imo. But stuff like this does not only cost money but time. It should have been one the drawing board since day one.
4.. It’s the same old maps. Not demanging or saying that TWI should have released new ones but it may be possible that people were expecting bigger, and more open maps. The maps in vanilla is not very not really big, but most of all, they are quite restricting somehow. They are not friendly for tank combat and such either. I don’t think this may have had a huge effect but it may had a minor one. Regarding map design I don’t know. I don’t think maps should be designed for the players, for instance in terms of placing cover in covinient places and so on.
Regarding Action Mode, it’s good that it became quite popular for those who like generic shooters since TWI reallly made a a good effort to cater to the mainstream audience. If it’s proven that Action keeps going strong the game may become more accessible in the future. Unfortunately, then the Classic type of gameplay, with less arcade features (unlocks, perks, lockdown etc.) and way more slower pace, is most likely going to get the short end of the stick. When and if that happens I will ersonally abandon RO forever because then the reason for playing it is diluted. At the end that’s what have happened too almost every game.
We should not forget that there’s new expansions on the horizon though. no one know what they will bring to the table, no one knows what TWI will bring, no one knows what the modders will bring. We1) It wasn't the standard Mode. If Classic was called Realism Mode there is no doubt in my mind that more people would have played it. Most servers have been running in Realism Mode since start.
We should not forget that there’s new expansions on the horizon though. no one know what they will bring to the table, no one knows what TWI will bring, no one knows what the modders will bring. Rising Storm, the Vietnam mod, much likely more future patches and content from TWI aswell as others. Whenever this will affect Classic in a positive manner I don’t know. But with the current state of Realism Mode its Classic or nothing at all for me.
2) Time and date: It’s perfectly possible that Classic Mode was released to late. It was released about seven months after the launch. There is a chance that most of the people who very vocal about changes abandoned the game. I have spoken to people in OST, aswell as RO2, who at first didn't even know Classic Mode was about to be released. Even though I’ve been playing OST for quite a while I would most likely have sold RO2 if I didn't take my time to register on this board. As a matter of fact, the idea behind registering was just to tell my view and then leave. My opinions did however become quite confirmed by other people, so I stayed because I realized things could change. If RO2 was a 'regular FPS' I would of course not have cared about it since it easily could have been replaced by another generic FPS. Unfortunately, you can’t replace RO with any other game.
3. Quick solution: TWI have done a great job with Classic Mode and it really shows that they really listen and care about their customers. I do think that Classsic Mode became something similar to a ''emergency mode'' that had to be released quickly aswell as Action Mode. If this was worked on from the very beginning it would of course have been a lot better. I think it’s very hard to release a solid game mode that quickly. Because honestly, even simple things such as being able to Enter/Exit vehicles isn’t possible yet. A animation (unlike in ost) should have been there imo. But stuff like this does not only cost money but time. It should have been one the drawing board since day one.
4.. It’s the same old maps. Not demanging or saying that TWI should have released new ones but it may be possible that people were expecting bigger, and more open maps. The maps in vanilla is not very not really big, but most of all, they are quite restricting somehow. They are not friendly for tank combat and such either. I don’t think this may have had a huge effect but it may had a minor one. Regarding map design I don’t know. I don’t think maps should be designed for the players, for instance in terms of placing cover in covinient places and so on.
Regarding Action Mode, it’s good that it became quite popular for those who like generic shooters since TWI reallly made a a good effort to cater to the mainstream audience. If it’s proven that Action keeps going strong the game may become more accessible in the future. Unfortunately, then the Classic type of gameplay, with less arcade features (unlocks, perks, lockdown etc.) and way more slower pace, is most likely going to get the short end of the stick. When and if that happens I will ersonally abandon RO forever because then the reason for playing it is diluted. At the end that’s what have happened too almost every game.
We should not forget that there’s new expansions on the horizon though. no one know what they will bring to the table, no one knows what TWI will bring, no one knows what the modders will bring. We1) It wasn't the standard Mode. If Classic was called Realism Mode there is no doubt in my mind that more people would have played it. Most servers have been running in Realism Mode since start.
We should not forget that there’s new expansions on the horizon though. no one know what they will bring to the table, no one knows what TWI will bring, no one knows what the modders will bring. Rising Storm, the Vietnam mod, much likely more future patches and content from TWI aswell as others. Whenever this will affect Classic in a positive manner I don’t know. But with the current state of Realism Mode its Classic or nothing at all for me.
Wow. You actually post this stuff from wikipedia as if you think that's really where I'd go for information on anything biological? Nothing there that actually disagrees with anything I posted, either. It's still just a hormone, with a measurable and finite effect on the body, and it runs out and needs time to recharge, etc etc.