Why are lot of people are not that happy about the release

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MeFirst

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Please keep in mind that got released 4 days ago and that (hopefully) a lot of things will change to the better.


A lot of people dont really seem to be happy with the current state of the game and I think it has basically 2 main reasons.


1. Expecations

Especially RO1 Veterans (I count myself to that) expected a pretty much different game. We expected something more closer to RO1 when it comes to the basic gameplay, the map size and the speed it takes to play a round. RO2 is plays faster as RO1, the maps are usually smaller and the overall time a map lasts is pretty much shorter and its usually something between 5 and 15 minutes white a short round in RO1 was usually above the 15 minutes count. Not only the time you spend on a map is now shorter, also the gameplay itself is faster which often results in gameplay that is a bit like kick and rush in soccer and less tactical like in RO1. The downside of this faster gameplay is that also stuff like weapon sway has been reduced pretty much till 0. After all TW are the people who make the game and it is their decision how the game will play and in interviews in the past the devs mentioned that they want to make the game more accessible to new players and especially make it more attractive to the E-Sport communty. A lot of people are now a bit upset and confused because as you can see they expected something different. Of course TW needs to earn money with the game (and they deserve that money) but I personally think they made too much decisions against the RO1 Veterans and put too much focus on E-Sport etc.

2. The Release.

When TW announced that the game will come out on the 31th of august I was pretty much suprised. I expected a eelease in Octorber or November and if I look at the current state of the game I wish it would have been that way. I think that the big beta was way too short and that the game in the current state needs at least 4 weeks of bugfixing and polishing until it just has reached a state where you can play the game and really enjoy it. I guess the main reason behind the early release is money. Normally I could speculate that a publisher pushed the release date but this is not the case here. As I said it is a money thing. TW is not a big company and they dont have endless ressources to maybe the only real choice TW could not hold back the release anymore because all of that stuff costs money.


TW has a pretty good repuation as a developer among people who played any game of it. It would be a shame if the good reputation will be damaged because of a rushed release and some desgin decisions. Everyone can make mistakes and the most important things right now are fixing the all the things and most importantly direct communication with the community. People will also less likely be mad when they know whats going on and why. One of the most things I hate is when I wait for a train and that is already to late and you have no idea when it might be coming and why it might be late.
 

Krobar

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My expectations were crushed with beta rebuilt some when we got Realism mode in beta then kicked down when we got our bayos and couldn't remove them then stacked up a little more with full release then mangled with elite assault weapons then hastily shuffled together when elite assault weapons were said to be re-balanced then smushed when not just the commanders got them then hopefully tangled into a workable structure with the promise of free DLC mods and maps.
 
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OnCrack

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I pretty much agree, but the game is already out, everybody be it RO vets or the potential new CoD Bf players TWI was looking for have seen how it looks like, it's under everyone's eyes, some may like it some may not, but there is little less left to do but fixing the (I think now small) amount of bugs etc. and balancing all the stuff, the gameplay and game pace won't change in my opinion they seem too hardcoded, as well as the relaxed realism the game has now, that's the road they've decided to choose and we'll see how it goes. I hope for the best.
 

melipone

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My expectations were crushed with beta rebuilt some when we got Realism mode in beta then kicked down when we got our bayos and couldn't remove them then stacked up a little more with full release then mangled with elite assault weapons then hastily shuffled together when elite assault weapons were said to be re-balanced then smushed when not just the commanders got them then hopefully tangled into a workable structure with the promise of free DLC mods and maps.

That is the best sentence I've read all day
 

Sheps

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Speaking strictly for myself and no one else, I'm pissed at the release because for two weeks the community played with and pointed out the same bugs that made it into the retail release.

I'm 100% confident TWI did everything they could to make the game as bug free as possible but the matter of the fact is that the game shouldn't have been released when it was. It should have been delayed further because the product TWI released simply isn't up to standard.

Also numerous times myself and others have complained about certain issues such as performance and the browser crashing the internet only to be told that either our machines suck or our routers suck and that we need to buy better equipment when clearly the fault has mostly been on their side, not ours.

As far as the game goes, I love it and play it constantly. But the numerous bugs, game crashing updates, lackluster frame rates have soiled what should be a great time.
 

Wodin

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Constant CTD's that get worse with every patch,terrible Lag in game, uber MP40 now a Super Uber non historical MP42, loss of sound, bad clipping (see through walls, bodies jut out through walls and to be honest not the greatest of maps overall.

Still the potential is there. It's just getting harder and harder to see it.
 

xwhitemousex

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I expect a game, at release, to have only minor issues left.

RO2 is still very buggy.

Crash to desktop with ROgame.exe stopped responding.

Sound suddenly cuts out, or part of the sound, so you cant hear belts on tank, or hear yourself shooting.

Alot of glitches in regards to deploying MGs or trying to use cover. Your char tries to deploy, but cant and then bounces up and down, gets stuck while screen flickers like mad etc.

Driving a tank and getting too close to a wall, especially the white concrete walls on CommissarsHouse = tank gets stuck and you spend forever trying to wriggle yourself loose.

Characters feel like you are iceskating when you are rushing and trying to run into an opening or door to the side. You just "slide" past as if the door was never even there. Unless you align yourself almost perfectly, you miss the door, and everyone knows what happens when you are stuck banging your noggin against a wall when people shoot at you.

The stats are not recording on a majority of the servers. This alone is such a huge issue Im amazed they even dared throw the game at the wolves without this sorted first. Consequence is people being pissed, naturally.

And there is alot more that could be added too.

The point is that the game is alot less finished than you would expect from a released game, and alot of the issues are so serious it should have been addressed in a beta, not through patches in live version.
 

rta

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My expectations were crushed with beta rebuilt some when we got Realism mode in beta then kicked down when we got our bayos and couldn't remove them then stacked up a little more with full release then mangled with elite assault weapons then hastily shuffled together when elite assault weapons were said to be re-balanced then smushed when not just the commanders got them then hopefully tangled into a workable structure with the promise of free DLC mods and maps.

i think i need more coffee...
 

maleficarus

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My expectations were crushed with beta rebuilt some when we got Realism mode in beta then kicked down when we got our bayos and couldn't remove them then stacked up a little more with full release then mangled with elite assault weapons then hastily shuffled together when elite assault weapons were said to be re-balanced then smushed when not just the commanders got them then hopefully tangled into a workable structure with the promise of free DLC mods and maps.

Jesus use a period every now and then...Lost 10 brain cells trying to read your post lol...
 
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maleficarus

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Speaking strictly for myself and no one else, I'm pissed at the release because for two weeks the community played with and pointed out the same bugs that made it into the retail release.

I'm 100% confident TWI did everything they could to make the game as bug free as possible but the matter of the fact is that the game shouldn't have been released when it was. It should have been delayed further because the product TWI released simply isn't up to standard.

Also numerous times myself and others have complained about certain issues such as performance and the browser crashing the internet only to be told that either our machines suck or our routers suck and that we need to buy better equipment when clearly the fault has mostly been on their side, not ours.

As far as the game goes, I love it and play it constantly. But the numerous bugs, game crashing updates, lackluster frame rates have soiled what should be a great time.

This is not a wide spread issue. This is a performance issue for people using AMD/ATi video cards. This is also an issue with people not knowing how to build a proper gaming PC. For example: slow outdated CPU paired with a fast current video card. With a properly built system this game runs like a hot knife through butter!

My system is built properly. I have been building and reparing computers since 1996. On my system which by the way it not top of the line can run this game Ultra quality at 80 frames per second. How is this a wide spread issue if my system does so well?

My specs:

2500K running 4GHz
4GB DDR3 1600
GTX460 1GB
W7-64

So my first suggestion to you is stop spreading online FUD about this game. You are helping no one. Spreading fear, uncertinty and doubt (FUD) is not going to make you any respect from me...
 
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Krobar

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Limeni

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This is not a wide spread issue. This is a performance issue for people using AMD/ATi video cards. This is also an issue with people not knowing how to build a proper gaming PC. For example: slow outdated CPU paired with a fast current video card. With a properly built system this game runs like a hot knife through butter!

My system is built properly. I have been building and reparing computers since 1996. On my system which by the way it not top of the line can run this game Ultra quality at 80 frames per second. How is this a wide spread issue if my system does so well?

My specs:

2500K running 4GHz
4GB DDR3 1600
GTX460 1GB
W7-64

So my first suggestion to you is stop spreading online FUD about this game. You are helping no one. Spreading fear, uncertinty and doubt (FUD) is not going to make you any respect from me...
Sir that is bull****. Look around the forums and you'll see that rigs that are even better than yours twice are having problems with performance. Stop blaming users for something devs did.
 

maleficarus

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Sir that is bull****. Look around the forums and you'll see that rigs that are even better than yours twice are having problems with performance. Stop blaming users for something devs did.

It is not BS. It is fact. If it wasen't fact my system would be running like @ss as well now wouldn't it? Or is my system blessed by god?
 

Krobar

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Alright because I know basic hardware but I'm no genius.

2.3Ghz dual core

2GB RAM

Radeon HD 5450 1.7GB

Vista 32-bit
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My crap machine that I can run the game on medium high with (30ish FPS with >100 ping). No lies.
 
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maleficarus

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Alright because I know basic hardware but I'm no genius.

2.3Ghz dual core

2GB RAM

Radeon HD 5450 1.7GB

Vista 32-bit
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My crap machine that I can run the game on medium high with. No lies.

And yes you have a poor machine. No offence, but your system has a slow outdated dual core CPU. With 2GB's too low of system memory. Yor VGA card is a low-end budjet video card. Then to add insult to injury you are running Vista...

If you can get decent frame rates with that, then there is nothing wrong with this game!!
 
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Demonizer

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I have to admit, ive lost some of the interest in playing the game. I feel ive actually made a bad purchase on this game, im hoping things will improve over time but i feel the worst has already been decided.

I loved RO1 it required a degree of thinking unlike other games. The gameplay was pretty solid and weapons had their own way about them. With RO2 however the gameplay is a overcomplicated muddle of over the top features and unbalanced weapons. Gamepace is no longer about thinking or planning your defence or attack but simple do this and die attitude. Tactics seem to have been ditched in favour of trying to cater for run and gunners from other games.

Im not sure if there was some kind of split in the dev team but its almost like the game was developed by two differnt teams one who focased on trying make the game realistic and feel right while the other team focased on making the game for rambowannbes adding in as many useless features and adapting a bent unlock system and then bodged them together right at the end without either team knowing what the other was upto. :(
 

Krobar

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And yes you have a poor machine. No offence, but your system has a slow outdated dual core CPU. With 2GB's too low of system memory. Yor VGA card is a low-end budjet video card. Then to add insult to injury you are running Vista...

If you can get decent frame rates with that, then there is nothing wrong with this game!!

That's what I was trying to prove.

I actaully UPGRADED to this video card a month ago lol. I was using the stock integrated GeForce 6150SE and I'm getting another 2GB of RAM soon best thing I can do, don't have $800 to build a whole new system.

If I had oodles of monies I would be running with 5Ghz quadcore with a TB of RAM and that badass GTX "fastest on the planet" GPU.:p
 
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Leto Atreides

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I was not happy with the CoD/ Bad Company style unlocks and stats, but it wouldn't be so bad if at least they worked properly.

While we were (and still are) experiencing all kinds of bugs, crashes, and performance problems, Tripwire showered the battlefield with MkBs and AVTs. Seriously WTF? Was anyone on the forums asking for those weapons to become widely available ASAP?