Who do you trust for your Gaming PC/Graphic Card reviews?

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ROII4Me

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The only game I play is ROII, except when I want to take a relaxing walk in the woods, when I go into Lord of the Rings Online and that one runs flawless only current PC.

I was thinking of getting Win7 installed to improve my ROII performance, along with more memory and a new graphics card.

But I thought perhaps I might just invest in a new system. Mine is not that old, just over 3 years. But you get a lot more for the money now than 3 years ago.

There are tons of review sites out there, including Game sites, but I am sure some are bias toward certain brands.

I was curious which sites avid gamers trust most for such things.
 

melipone

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I usually go on a PC enthusiast forum and see what people are recommending before buying any hardware. Overclocking forums or general hardware sites
 

Lethall

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I usually include Tom's Hardware in my comparison for hardware .. especially video cards.
They run several different tests at different resolutions, and provide charts for comparison on how each card performs. (or other hardware)

Select the "Charts" option at the top of the page:

[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/[/URL]
 

Romanrp

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overclock.net is my favorite since its there arent any official reviews but all user feedback
toms tends to be biased towards nvidia and they chat a lot of bull
 
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TheGoden

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My dad's friend and former clan-mate runs a fancy gaming-oriented computer store. They have some extremely knowledge people in there and that would be where I would go for "reivews" or information. They work with gaming-grade hardware every single day, every year. If there is anyone who can tell me the ups and downs of certain cards, cpu's, etc it would be them.

That's where I go, personally.
 
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mattlach

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www.hardocp.com is the most trustworthy out there by a long shot when it comes to benchmarking real use.

For more tech reading, go to anandtech.com

Whatever you do, DO NOT rely on Toms Hardware for anything. the site was better back in the 90's but there have been a number of high profile scandals where Toms Hardware was in bed with one manufacturer or another, and even ones where they stole entire articles (with pictures) from other sites and claimed it as their work.

As I understand Tom Pabst no longer has any involvement in the site, and hasn't for some time (a decade?)
 

Sgt.NightFire

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I barely go with reviews, their is to much fraud going on, remember how that one certain reviewer got fired because he gave a certain game a lower grade than the developer demanded from that certain website...

If you want a good review, take a good look at the game's community, you can watch at 10 reviews and not know for sure if you gonna get it, but if you see 10 reviews from the community you know what to do...
 

mattlach

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One of the biggest benefits of HardOCP's reviews is that they do real world tests.

Firstly, they don't rely on canned benchmarks, after several scandals where benchmark modes of games were manipulated to intentionally perform better on one GPU vendor or another (probably in exchange for something). All of their benchmarks are actually based on playing a game for a while to see how the hardware will perform in real life.

Secondly, with some exceptions, they don't rely on vendor supplied hardware for their reviews (and when they do, they tell you). They actually buy hardware off the shelves to avoid getting cherry picked or otherwise modified hardware from the manufacturer who has something to prove.

Thirdly, they don't just measure frame rates at each resolution. instead they approach the game in a way that matters more to the user. What are the max settings I can run at in each particular game with this card and still get a minimum playable framerate. This way you don't get any of the "my computer gets 325fps in Q3A, you'rs only gets 310fps, mine is bettar!"reviews. They focus on performance that really matters.
 

Actin

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After a bit research I posted my quesion in game forums here, got a lot of advice and information on current cards and such.
Not that now everyone should ask all that stuff here, but it's thje right community (serious people mainly) and a bit of a discussion gives you way more info than some lame reviews.

If you want some info on a new card, this thread contains some discussion and info about the current ones (two week old thread).

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=68791

Forums like these are the best way to make sure you pick the right card (after some preliminary research of course!).

Thanks to all the people posting in my thread, a lot of good tips and hints of the pros and cons of the cards!
 

Colt .45 killer

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I barely go with reviews, their is to much fraud going on, remember how that one certain reviewer got fired because he gave a certain game a lower grade than the developer demanded from that certain website...

If you want a good review, take a good look at the game's community, you can watch at 10 reviews and not know for sure if you gonna get it, but if you see 10 reviews from the community you know what to do...

Hardware reviews != Game reviews.

Games are subjective and what is a flop to some is gold to another. A POS CPU or video card gets raked across the coals by anyone with some semblance of a brain.
 

Lethall

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overclock.net is my favorite since its there arent any official reviews but all user feedback
toms tends to be biased towards nvidia and they chat a lot of bull

Just did a quick check and Tom's in recommending ATI in the $110 to $160 price range.

[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-gaming-performance,3042-3.html[/URL]

I just like the different tests for comparison differences between cards.

I don't use Tom's solely .. like I mentioned in my earlier post .. I just include them as a tool.

Newegg is another good source if you want actual user reviews!
 

clambo

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Sep 17, 2007
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I went to Toms Hardware and through it settled on an Intel i5-2500k / 560Ti setup
with a 6gbs-hard drive, 8 gigs 1600 memory, and Windows 7 home - and
the system plays RO2 quite well for just $980.

Also built a AMD 1090T / 560ti set up like the above for $870. is almost as fast for RO2.

The i5 is the one I go to first when I play.

Both are set at ultra across the board except for shadows high, no bloom, no blur,
no frame rate smoothing. AA is in the middle or middle high I think.
 
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mattlach

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The only game I play is ROII, except when I want to take a relaxing walk in the woods, when I go into Lord of the Rings Online and that one runs flawless only current PC.

I was thinking of getting Win7 installed to improve my ROII performance, along with more memory and a new graphics card.

But I thought perhaps I might just invest in a new system. Mine is not that old, just over 3 years. But you get a lot more for the money now than 3 years ago.

There are tons of review sites out there, including Game sites, but I am sure some are bias toward certain brands.

I was curious which sites avid gamers trust most for such things.


What video card do you currently have? What resolution do you play at? I'm sure we can give some recommendations here.

The sad truth is that RO2 is heavily bounded by single threaded CPU performance. In my case - for instance - on my AMD Phenom II X6 @4.0Ghz and two Radeon HD6970's in crossfire, I am hopelessly CPU bound.

I can get about 60FPS (with occasionally drops to the mid to high 40's) at high settings with low post processing at 2560x1600, and the single card GPU utilization is in the upper 80, lower 90% range. If I enable both cards in crossfire (effectively doubling GPU performance, less crossfire overhead) with the same settings, I get the EXACT SAME performance, just now the GPU utilization on both cards is in the upper 40%...

So even at 4.0Ghz, my six core Phenom II is not sufficient to power through this game and get me a higher frame rate.

Some theories I have read is that since the game is DX9, it all the render calls to the GPU are done on the same CPU core (whereas in DX11, they would be spread over all cores in the system) which makes the CPU the bottleneck in a hurry (you don't see this in the task manager, as the Windows Scheduler is constantly moving threads between cores faster than it updates, so you just see an average load, rather than that once core is constantly maxed out).

The only reason I'm mentioning this is because I don't know what resolution you play at, and what video card you currently have, but in many cases, if you already have a semi-decent video card, upgrading it won't improve anything, as chances are the problem is your CPU.

My theory is that the best performance in RO2 (at least until they can get a DX11 patch out, which I hope they are working on) will be had with Intel's Sandy Bridge core CPU's (Core iX with 4 digits, like Core i3-2100, Core i5-2500k, Core i7-2600K, etc.) since even the cheapest ones have better per core performance than the top AMD models. (wow how things have changed in the last 10 years)

Also, it's probably best to couple this with an Nvidia 4xx or 5xx series card of reasonable performance (460 or better or 560 or better) because these cards have hardware PhysX compatibility which helps offload physics calculations from the CPU, allowing it to focus on the game rendering calls to the GPU where it is currently bound up.
 
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clambo

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My theory is that the best performance in RO2 (at least until they can get a DX11 patch out, which I hope they are working on) will be had with Intel's Sandy Bridge core CPU's (Core iX with 4 digits, like Core i3-2100, Core i5-2500k, Core i7-2600K, etc.) since even the cheapest ones have better per core performance than the top AMD models. (wow how things have changed in the last 10 years)

Also, it's probably best to couple this with an Nvidia 4xx or 5xx series card of reasonable performance (460 or better or 560 or better) because these cards have hardware PhysX compatibility which helps offload physics calculations from the CPU, allowing it to focus on the game rendering calls to the GPU where it is currently bound up.

I agree - the i5-2500k / Nvidia 560Ti / Window 7 / 6gbs hard drive / seems to be the sweet spot for a new system built in a local shop for under $1000. *the Faster hard drive gets you loaded faster too.
 

hulinoitsija

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Aug 7, 2011
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AnandTech.com
TomsHardware.com

Read reviews and compare benchmarks.
Get the most bang for your buck.
 

PUTZ

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Some theories I have read is that since the game is DX9, it all the render calls to the GPU are done on the same CPU core (whereas in DX11, they would be spread over all cores in the system) which makes the CPU the bottleneck in a hurry (you don't see this in the task manager, as the Windows Scheduler is constantly moving threads between cores faster than it updates, so you just see an average load, rather than that once core is constantly maxed out).


It's not a theory, it's a fact. :( (we are looking into DX11)

and I'm a big HardOCP fan. :D