Where's the realism?

[Dayve]

Hello, I'm new to Red Orchestra altogether. Been a long time since I played a WW2 shooter so I thought I'd give this a go, especially since I heard tons of stuff about it being realistic, restricting the best weapons in MP, especially sniper rifles which I utterly despise and so on and so forth.

So I ordered the game from Amazon and it arrived today, installed, played for about 4 hours and... well, the thing's a SMG/STG44 fest.

Talk to me.

 

[hockeywarrior]

Hello, I'm new to Red Orchestra altogether. Been a long time since I played a WW2 shooter so I thought I'd give this a go, especially since I heard tons of stuff about it being realistic, restricting the best weapons in MP, especially sniper rifles which I utterly despise and so on and so forth.

So I ordered the game from Amazon and it arrived today, installed, played for about 4 hours and... well, the thing's a SMG/STG44 fest.

Talk to me.

Welcome to the forums! You might do some thread browsing, as you're clearly not the only one wondering about this.

 

[Ermac]

Hello, I'm new to Red Orchestra altogether. Been a long time since I played a WW2 shooter so I thought I'd give this a go, especially since I heard tons of stuff about it being realistic, restricting the best weapons in MP, especially sniper rifles which I utterly despise and so on and so forth.

So I ordered the game from Amazon and it arrived today, installed, played for about 4 hours and... well, the thing's a SMG/STG44 fest.

Talk to me.

Troll account.

 

[PsychoPigeon]

yes they used machine guns so what

 

[blitze]

yes they used machine guns so what

In the time period stipulated by the title - not really. As for Stalingrad on the Russians - they were lucky if they were issued a bolt rifle between 2 people. What we have is a smg/semi f fest on most maps.

It would be preferable to severely limit the amount of smg's and semi's on a map and have the majority playing with bolts.

 

[Mike133]

Troll account.

Anyone that doesn't love Ro2 is a troll....is that correct?

 

[HerrThomas]

Anyone that doesn't love Ro2 is a troll....is that correct?

Yeah, they just spout troll when someone says something they don't like or disagrees with something they said.

It's Absolutely pathetic.

 

[Stahlhelmii]

Hello, I'm new to Red Orchestra altogether. Been a long time since I played a WW2 shooter so I thought I'd give this a go, especially since I heard tons of stuff about it being realistic, restricting the best weapons in MP, especially sniper rifles which I utterly despise and so on and so forth.

So I ordered the game from Amazon and it arrived today, installed, played for about 4 hours and... well, the thing's a SMG/STG44 fest.

Talk to me.

Yes, it is, but you could've paged down throught 2 or 3 pages and found a dozen threads saying the same (sadly true) thing.

 

[|Brothers|-ktabz]

actually the russians started using assault platoons in stalingrad with 30+ guys all using ppsh's. so really if we want to be totally realistic every russian should have an smg. also in stalingrad the russians decided to use the tactic of hugging the german front line. in other words, stay within grenade range to negate the german advantages in artillary, close air support, and tank support. so if the game feels like you spawn close to the enemy, well no **** sherlock, that's how it really happened.

as for the mkb, well yeah its annoying and not realistic, but what ww2 game ever made didn't have the stg44 (essentially the same thing) and didn't have the stg44 as the most dominant weapon in the game? i can't think of one and i've played most of them. ww2 shooters are all i play.

theres a reason why all modern armies have assault rifles as standard general issue now, because it is simply better than the alternatives. so what to do when you encounter one and you have a measly mosin-nagant? shoot him in the chest, just like you did in every other ww2 shooter you're ever played.

 

[Graphic]

Troll account.

I remember all kinds of silly posts like this on Total War forums.

 

[Josef Nader]

Don't worry, people will accuse this of being a canned response, but it doesn't make it any less true:

Give it time, everything will get hammered out either from official patches or mods. TWI and the community here put a -mountain- of effort into these games, and it shows.

Just keep your pants on, find another game to play for a few weeks (Batman: Arkham City, I'm looking at you), and then come back to it. I promise you won't be able to recognize it.

 

[Ermac]

Anyone that doesn't love Ro2 is a troll....is that correct?

I'm not saying you can't criticize the game, but what's he's saying sounds like something directly from the forums.

 

[Dirtybandit]

Don't worry, people will accuse this of being a canned response, but it doesn't make it any less true:

Give it time, everything will get hammered out either from official patches or mods. TWI and the community here put a -mountain- of effort into these games, and it shows.

Just keep your pants on, find another game to play for a few weeks (Batman: Arkham City, I'm looking at you), and then come back to it. I promise you won't be able to recognize it.

They are going to code a new engine in a few weeks?...just kidding. Yay this game is pretty broken but it still can be fun

 

[Leo4444]

actually the russians started using assault platoons in stalingrad with 30+ guys all using ppsh's. so really if we want to be totally realistic every russian should have an smg. also in stalingrad the russians decided to use the tactic of hugging the german front line. in other words, stay within grenade range to negate the german advantages in artillary, close air support, and tank support. so if the game feels like you spawn close to the enemy, well no **** sherlock, that's how it really happened.

as for the mkb, well yeah its annoying and not realistic, but what ww2 game ever made didn't have the stg44 (essentially the same thing) and didn't have the stg44 as the most dominant weapon in the game? i can't think of one and i've played most of them. ww2 shooters are all i play.

theres a reason why all modern armies have assault rifles as standard general issue now, because it is simply better than the alternatives. so what to do when you encounter one and you have a measly mosin-nagant? shoot him in the chest, just like you did in every other ww2 shooter you're ever played.

Thats like saying every russian in stalingrad had a smg, do some research and you will find the majority of soldiers were equipped a rifle ammo and some had grenades. Yes there was some russian assault platoons but not many. Even in 1945 when smg numbers had quadrupled the majority of soldiers were equipped a mosin nagant, dont give out false information.

 

[|Brothers|-ktabz]

my source is World War II Street Fighting Tactics by Dr. Stephen Bull, published by Osprey Publishing page 17. the guy is an expert in every way shape or form. the section is titled "Stalingrad, the Academy of Street Fighting" and begins by describing the crude tactics used before Chuikov's Order No. 166 which stated "that operations were not to be carried out by whole units like companies and battalions. The offensive should be organized chiefly on the basis of small groups, with sub-machine guns, hand grenades, bottles of incendiary mixture and anti-tank rifles... As Chuikov's memoirs observed, this meant that only portions of each battalion were committed at any one time, in 'storm groups' on limited sectors, while other troops remained on the defensive."

 

[Leo4444]

my source is World War II Street Fighting Tactics by Dr. Stephen Bull, published by Osprey Publishing page 17. the guy is an expert in every way shape or form. the section is titled "Stalingrad, the Academy of Street Fighting" and begins by describing the crude tactics used before Chuikov's Order No. 166 which stated "that operations were not to be carried out by whole units like companies and battalions. The offensive should be organized chiefly on the basis of small groups, with sub-machine guns, hand grenades, bottles of incendiary mixture and anti-tank rifles... As Chuikov's memoirs observed, this meant that only portions of each battalion were committed at any one time, in 'storm groups' on limited sectors, while other troops remained on the defensive."

That source still doesnt support your claim that "every russian should have an smg" you could make the case that in certain house to house battles this was the case but not for all. So in certain ro2 maps the current loadout would be realistic but not on most. Certainly not early in the battle or in more open areas where huge charges took place. Since the standard RO2 mode is territories lets say the russians are pushed back into their defensive lines, the defensive troops were not all equipped with smgs because the groups equipped with smgs were in the author's words "small". That book has been quoted many times and just because some groups were equipped with smgs, it does not mean the majority were and my apologies if a appeared rude with my first comment and I do agree with the rest of your statement about the mkb/stg44.

 

[grothesj2]

yes they used machine guns so what

Because it shouldn't be in the game at all for the time period. duh. And if you are going to put a fantasy weapon in then it should be limited to 1-2 per game, max.

 

[grothesj2]

my source is World War II Street Fighting Tactics by Dr. Stephen Bull, published by Osprey Publishing page 17. the guy is an expert in every way shape or form. the section is titled "Stalingrad, the Academy of Street Fighting" and begins by describing the crude tactics used before Chuikov's Order No. 166 which stated "that operations were not to be carried out by whole units like companies and battalions. The offensive should be organized chiefly on the basis of small groups, with sub-machine guns, hand grenades, bottles of incendiary mixture and anti-tank rifles... As Chuikov's memoirs observed, this meant that only portions of each battalion were committed at any one time, in 'storm groups' on limited sectors, while other troops remained on the defensive."

You ought to look at the actual TO&E of the units. Most units have bolt-rifles by far.

 

[Tukhachevskii]

my source is World War II Street Fighting Tactics by Dr. Stephen Bull, published by Osprey Publishing page 17.

Oh boy please don't rely solely on Osprey books for your information on a subject. While they can be great basic introductions to a topic they are far to small and generalised (and in some cases completely inaccurate) to provide a complete picture.

 

[JayTac]

Oh wait, SMG's weren't used in the war?