I'm a pretty good sharpshooter, only really use the LAR with a single HC as backup these days, works a treat.
Where have the Sharp Shooters gone?
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Actually it's called being smart and planning ahead in case crap does hit the fan.. try reading and thinking outside the box next time before sounding like a total ahole.. The way I play my support specialist makes playing a sharpshooter completely a waste of time.. I can mow down an FP with 3 nades + AA12 spam... THe 12 gauge can take out trash like its nothing.. with the katana I can temporarily hold the front line for a bit at close range...
Sharpshooter no doubts help too with it's crossbow but that's pretty much all it's good for now.. it's versatility has gone way down.. where as the support specialist abilities has either stayed the same or gone way up..
P.s. Who the hell do you think you are calling my play style selfish? As I recall the only person here posting who has ever played with me was candlejack so gtfo...
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No its being a selfish bastard, not forward planning. You plan to work as a team and how you fit into that, you don't choose based solely on the ideal that they might screw up and leave you (in a moment clearly not about ego) to clear up the mess.
Ok by all means please go plan with these "TF2hat" pick up groups with 0-3 level perks and see how well that goes... There is no plan for PUG groups.. most of them don't even have a mic.. You have to try and stay together as long as possible but if 2 scrakes and 2 fp spawns and speed rape out half your team.. you just run.. and try to survive the wave so that you can continue on the next wave without re-rolling on wave 1 again..
What you say sounds all nice and full of rainbows but in a real situation with a real pick up group.. it is virtually impossible to plan ahead..
What I have notice is the number of sharpshotoers is not decreasing, but increasing. Because they found they need 4 shots to kill an fp, so @wave 7-10 they thinks the team needs 4 sharpshooters.
If you "need" two xbow sharpshotoers in a team, something's wrong. No perk should be needed in everygame, not to mention you need two of you to get the same job done. You need one heavy hitter to kill the bigs, it can be berserker (on open maps) or sharpshotoer who can due with pounds on his own (with M14 of cos, xbow dont do **** without another sharpshooter) or demo (who drop an fp to 10-20% health by spaming).
But if you "force" and perk to have at least two players using, that means it is not effective. (two aa12 support can also gun down pounds fast, but considering the % of total ammo used and cost, it is NOT effective)
If you are using xbow, basically you need another heavy hitter, meaning you fail to be one of the effective one to kill fps. In a good team, all they need to do is provide a 1v1 suituation for the heavy hitter to face scrakes and fps. If they have good enough teamwork, scrakes and fp can be dropped quickly and easily. Randomly raging a pound and only doing ~1/6 damage to the totaly health is only getting the team into bad suituation.
What I'm saying is not ss being underpowered. It's just the xbow have really big problem. Xbow now CANNOT do the "pound killer" job well. Not even close. Have this in mind, it is extremely expensive. The xbow cost more than T3 weapons and only good for medium zeds. (again, will you really shoot a line of clots with xbow unless u really need to?) Of cos, it also good against scrakes, but let me ask again, how much does fire axe and LAR cost?
If you "need" two xbow sharpshotoers in a team, something's wrong. No perk should be needed in everygame, not to mention you need two of you to get the same job done. You need one heavy hitter to kill the bigs, it can be berserker (on open maps) or sharpshotoer who can due with pounds on his own (with M14 of cos, xbow dont do **** without another sharpshooter) or demo (who drop an fp to 10-20% health by spaming).
But if you "force" and perk to have at least two players using, that means it is not effective. (two aa12 support can also gun down pounds fast, but considering the % of total ammo used and cost, it is NOT effective)
If you are using xbow, basically you need another heavy hitter, meaning you fail to be one of the effective one to kill fps. In a good team, all they need to do is provide a 1v1 suituation for the heavy hitter to face scrakes and fps. If they have good enough teamwork, scrakes and fp can be dropped quickly and easily. Randomly raging a pound and only doing ~1/6 damage to the totaly health is only getting the team into bad suituation.
What I'm saying is not ss being underpowered. It's just the xbow have really big problem. Xbow now CANNOT do the "pound killer" job well. Not even close. Have this in mind, it is extremely expensive. The xbow cost more than T3 weapons and only good for medium zeds. (again, will you really shoot a line of clots with xbow unless u really need to?) Of cos, it also good against scrakes, but let me ask again, how much does fire axe and LAR cost?
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You keep saying that as if they are reliable. Fire Axe will clearly rip a Scrake a new 1, IF you can get to it. Leaving things alive until they get within range of the Zerker (if they are more than just trivial things like Clots), at least on maps where its possible for specimens to spawn far away and nearby, is asking for something to go horribly wrong. LAR is powerful but again, can't shoot the Scrake while its behind things and isn't great at distance unless you have time to aim down the sights. And all of thats asuming you hit the head constantly.
I keep playing as SS.
Backuping teammates for Scrakes with LAR. And taking down incoming fps with M14.
There still room for SS for cooperative game. SS is just requiring more skills now to play efficiently. And most people who played SS quit, cause it now not insta kills and became Support or Commandos.
Backuping teammates for Scrakes with LAR. And taking down incoming fps with M14.
There still room for SS for cooperative game. SS is just requiring more skills now to play efficiently. And most people who played SS quit, cause it now not insta kills and became Support or Commandos.
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If you dont hit the head constanly, why play sharpshooter? If you cant hit the head constanly, you cant do a damn thing to the scrake even if you are using an xbow.
Axe or LAR the scrake to the head give you and your teamate ~10 seconds to clear those crawlers and clots around him. And if you can still find the head after the scrake is stuned (working on finding the new hitbox myself), he will die faster than you think. Not to mention support can also shoot the zeds behind the scrake without worrying of the scrake suddenly charge.
A not raging scrake is SLOW and are not dangerous at medium to long range. It dont really required to kill him right after he shows. A husk or siren, however, is more of an issue to the team. Also, it is your teamate's job to make sure nothing gets in your way to kill the scrake if you are a berserker / sharpshooter. If you get surrounded when you try to kill the scrakes, your teamates fail. Not you. You keep big guys from them, they keep smalls from you, that's the deal.
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Actually, this is why I went back to playing sharp. I started KF with sharp, played it constantly. I disgustedly dropped it 2 days after the M14 release when I realized it had become a boring spam class. The nice thing now is that if you have a sharp on your team, that probably means they can shoot well.
I have been playing on my private server with friends lately. It is nice because I don't feel like I have to killwhore. We all work together, I zap that FP with 2-3 bolts and they finish it off. I haven't used rifles a lot, I need to give the M14 some practice.
yeah man, I always love your server, no matter how much it lags
as for me, I never really used the advanced SS weapons...to be honest, I managed level 6 without really playing SS. I just always used the lever action and handcannon as medic and zerker, and I just kinda got the levels randomly, like "You are level 5"....'really? I wasn't even trying
'Anyways, now with things as they are, I may actually use the perk. I know I at least have decent aim, and now I won't feel guilty afterwards
I wasn't going to say anything, but if it was me making a mistake, you'd probably be the first person to correct it.
You don't need a semicolon in that sentence. The semicolon, in all simplicity, is used to replace the word "and" in a sentence like that one. By removing the and, or the semicolon, you would find yourself +1 grammatically correct sentence.
Couldn't help myself.
Regarding the migration of Sharpshooters, I'm glad it's only the crap ones that have vanished. Sharpshooter is far from useless, but is maybe a tad too difficult to master for the less skilled players. Down to TWI to make the call.
That's what happend with all sharpshooters latelly of what I noticed:
Translation:
Lesson of Administrating:
Don't start your projects
Before all materials are available
Translation:
Lesson of Administrating:
Don't start your projects
Before all materials are available
I'll tell you what happened to all of the sharpshooters
@Sammers:
I thought it was used as a supercomma, for long sentences like:
Today I went to the market to get apples, bananas, and milk; the movies, where I ate popcorn, candy, and drank coke; and the DMV to fill out some forms, and apply for a license.
*edited for Sammers reference.
Spoiler!
@Sammers:
I thought it was used as a supercomma, for long sentences like:
Today I went to the market to get apples, bananas, and milk; the movies, where I ate popcorn, candy, and drank coke; and the DMV to fill out some forms, and apply for a license.
*edited for Sammers reference.
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Hahahah, Gibby asked the same thing. I did say, in sentences like Candle's, but you are also (almost)correct. You had the word and after a semicolon too. I'll just copy paste my explanation to Gibby.
"It has multiple uses. You can use it to tag extra info onto the end of sentences.
For example: I love the semicolon; it kicks ***.
People would normally use the word and to tag on data sometimes though.
I am a **** and I ****ed your mum
OR
I am a ****; I ****ed your mum.
Other main use is to split items in a list.
You can use a comma to do that too, but with a semicolon, you can use the comma to expand on the item, making a deadly combination of the two.
For example
List of guns: USP Match, a handgun; MP5, an smg; AR15, an assault rifle.
Lesson end.
well, seeing as the following was the goal for many of the beta testers regarding how to fix the SS/crossbow:
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showpost.php?p=613635&postcount=2
the results prove that they got what they were shooting for.
where did they all go? well, i still see a decent amount of people using the class, but most of them get frustrated that they can't spam body shots anymore. then there's some who get frustrated that it's not effective or efficient to use the bow against FP/scrakes anymore, and switch to another class to do mopup since once FPs come, it's going to require absurdly excessive spam from the whole team anyway.
Bravo! I agree 100%! Seen once 5 Sharpshooters doing waves 1-5 being happy, then since wave 6 they started complaining, at wave 7 only 2 sharpshooters were left, at wave 8 no sharpshooters at all
How does the community feel about lowering the weight of the bow to allow a lar/m14 combo? The weight was shifted in the past because players were glitching to carry both(xbow/m14). Now it would be nice to do it legit. I really don't think it would be over powered with the new balances. It would give the Sharper Shooter better options as ammo would still be limited. Thoughts please.
I feel it would make the Sharpie a problem again. Shoot a Fp 2 times with the Xbow then face spam it with the M14 = Sharpshooters owning everything again and having nothing to fear.
Right noe the Sharpie is where he should be, give people time to learn the perk and it'll prove its worth
Right noe the Sharpie is where he should be, give people time to learn the perk and it'll prove its worth
By now I see only people ragequitting or changing perks to other than sharpshooter. Only when I take sharpshooter is beginning, then just quickly change to zerker so after wave I buy katana and armor, and pick up ammo for xbow randomly to collect for waves 6+ awhile I don't even use the xbow unless the speci is too far away.
