When will there be a hardcore mode?
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Clay pigeon shooting is fun
, I had a blast doing that this summer with a proper over & Under.Back on topic I completely agree, there are lots of shooters on this forum, but I think many are forgetting external variables that they can eliminate on a nice day at the range with a controlled hearbeat shooting from any stance.
To me the most important part of an FPS game is the gunplay and imho it is far more realistic in RO2
There are people complaining that the PPSH is RO2 has too much recoil..LOL! They should try RO1's PPSH :IS2:
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Come on, mate. Don't do that. I took the time out to think out a decent response and you respond with this?
I trap shoot almost every weekend. I've never competed with it, but I enjoy it immensely. I can snap the shotgun from muzzle down stance to aiming and dust a clay in just about a second. Sway doesn't factor into it one bit.
Besides, there's a pretty significant difference between shooting a clay with a shotgun and shooting a rifle at a target. Shotguns tend to not need much aiming. As long as you're lined up right and your timing is good, you can snap shots left and right with decent success.
Clay pigeon shooting is fun
Back on topic I completely agree, there are lots of shooters on this forum, but I think many are forgetting external variables that they can eliminate on a nice day at the range with a controlled hearbeat shooting from any stance.
I guess the point that I and the other shooters are trying to make is that trained soldiers don't suddenly forget how to shoot properly just because they're cold, hungry, tired, and under fire. The weapon's properties don't suddenly shift to make it more unmanagable (unless the bolt freezes shut, or your gunpowder gets wet, or you don't clean it. All of which would be a pain in actual gameplay). Soldiers go through extensive firearms training. Weapon handling is second nature to them by the time they set foot on the battlefield. This is exactly the reason why. They don't have to think about all the factors that tie into making a good shot, they just think "I want to shoot at that location" and muscle memory handles the rest. In the same way that a veteran RO player would automatically compensate for weapon sway with his mouse, real soldiers (or at least the veteran shooters that I know) automatically compensate for weapon motion subconsciously, and they can shoot with reasonable accuracy in spite of the adrenaline surge and mental stress and what have you.
The stress of being shot at and the "fear of death" is simulated in the game. I've missed plenty of shots because his buddies were shooting back at me. I've passed up plenty of kills because I was afraid of looking at a respawn screen. Just because it isn't the sheer mortal terror of real combat doesn't mean that it doesn't affect the player, and that we need to have arcadey mechanics to simulate it. It's reasonable to assume that we're all controlling trained individuals who don't crap themselves and start seizing as soon as they enter combat.
Rifles are definitely accurate, even while standing. However, look how long it takes for him to get a shot off at 120m (the distance looks to be about that, regardless of whatever he says). As it is in RO2, you can bring up your sights and hit it pretty fast and consistent.
Now, pretend like you're getting fired at. You're shaking, adrenaline pumping, you can hear your heart beating faster. Your breathing is also now getting harder and faster. Now try and take that same shot. He got like what? 2 out of 5?
I'm personally going to go test this out in RO2 right now.
That might be a bug. The sound of boots and enemy voices upstairs when I enter a structure is one of the most hair-raising things in the game...
Yes, because bullets penetrating bricks and wood is LESS realistic than hiding behind a thin bit of plywood with perfect safety in RO1.
Yes, it is MORE realistic in RO1 to have to run around an obstacle instead of being able to vault over it.
It is MORE realistic to barely be able to pick out a pixel infantry guy at 150 in RO1 than it is to be able to see the same target much more clearly in the unrealistic RO2.
RO1's huge weapon sway like a 90 year old grandma is shooting and recoil is WAY more authentic than RO2s less sway and recoil.
There are tons of things more realistic in RO2 but you ignore that and only concentrate on the less realistic things. If you ask me it balances out really.
There is some humor in all this, we were promised a "realistic mode" by Tripwire long before release to make us quiet before dropping us the bomb, and the only thing it does is remove a pistol and the kill cam... WTF.
I think its a ****ing joke that a realism mode still have English voices with funny accents, stat system and unlocks, unrealistic loadouts, fantasy weapons and an annoying wound/bandage system.
To those who say RO1 was unrealistically hard, tell me how all that crap I mentioned before makes RO2 "realistically easy"?
The thing is I never gave a crap if they included it all into the game as long as they don't shove it down our throats and give us a realistic and historically accurate mode we could enjoy, we were willing to accept a new friendlier game to expand the community, as long as it didn't **** up our experience... but we got the short end of the stick.
Tripwire gave its faithful and supportive community the middle finger, remember when they said "options are good"? Where are the ****ing options now? There is not even a menu to configure your own HUD. Another broken promise. They FORCED us a type of gameplay Ramm Jaeger thought everybody should like, just like any other prostituted game developer who sold the game to the easy buck. Biting the hand that feeds you is one of the ugliest things you can do.
The worst part is that now (if its true that the game sold as much as they say) now they think their decisions were right, well guess what, the sales didn't came from those decisions, they came from the marketing, and then they found a travesty of a game without any options. My question to TWI is: Was it worth it? Was it worth the developing time and money for things like the stat system and fantasy weapons? Even if, for some sort of self denial syndrome, you think that those things benefited the game in any way, you can't deny that at the very least, they broke more than they added. Seriously, you could have had a more polished product, so the new guys didn't quit because of the bugs (or maybe you thought the MKB would make them stay? LoL) and without pissing us off with all that crap, but you didn't even give us the options, I wonder if there will still be anyone playing when someone release a mod to make it half decent.
I think its a ****ing joke that a realism mode still have English voices with funny accents, stat system and unlocks, unrealistic loadouts, fantasy weapons and an annoying wound/bandage system.
To those who say RO1 was unrealistically hard, tell me how all that crap I mentioned before makes RO2 "realistically easy"?
The thing is I never gave a crap if they included it all into the game as long as they don't shove it down our throats and give us a realistic and historically accurate mode we could enjoy, we were willing to accept a new friendlier game to expand the community, as long as it didn't **** up our experience... but we got the short end of the stick.
Tripwire gave its faithful and supportive community the middle finger, remember when they said "options are good"? Where are the ****ing options now? There is not even a menu to configure your own HUD. Another broken promise. They FORCED us a type of gameplay Ramm Jaeger thought everybody should like, just like any other prostituted game developer who sold the game to the easy buck. Biting the hand that feeds you is one of the ugliest things you can do.
The worst part is that now (if its true that the game sold as much as they say) now they think their decisions were right, well guess what, the sales didn't came from those decisions, they came from the marketing, and then they found a travesty of a game without any options. My question to TWI is: Was it worth it? Was it worth the developing time and money for things like the stat system and fantasy weapons? Even if, for some sort of self denial syndrome, you think that those things benefited the game in any way, you can't deny that at the very least, they broke more than they added. Seriously, you could have had a more polished product, so the new guys didn't quit because of the bugs (or maybe you thought the MKB would make them stay? LoL) and without pissing us off with all that crap, but you didn't even give us the options, I wonder if there will still be anyone playing when someone release a mod to make it half decent.
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It's not down to the modders. It's down to TWI. It's their job to fulfill our wishes, not the other way around. A game is no more or less just a product people buy. If you buy a new car that has issues you won't fix it. The one who sold it to you should.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!!
And i never was so angry for a game before !!!! Sometime (offen) i really would beat the alan wilson's *a*s*s* with violence. Same thing for people arguing that all is ok and realistic ...
I say NO ! If Stalingrad real battle was like RO2 , We should have 100000000 Millions DEAD more ! ....
I want time to go in position, waiting, ambushing, squad move, i can't play anymore with this ****ing run n gunner game !
And i you those who are not agree with me ... ARE WRONG, that's all !
I'm true, I'm god, I know what is realistic or not, that all ! And what TWI did (exept for the graphic team) is a lfkjdlfkjdsklfjs !
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Fixed. A lot of what I don't like about RO2 is directly a result of the more realistic mechanics. Being able to move about realisticlly, aim a rifle realistically, see realistically at distance, and be able to realistically hit a target are all there. By "realism" standards most of RO2 is a direct improvement, but the flipside of that is that it made the game easier. Part of why RO1 was so fun (for me) was that it was unrealistically challenging. I think people need to stay clear of the "realism" arguement, far too much time has been wasted already pointlessly debating reality. What you should suggest is a game mode that is simply more difficult.
Hopefully, there will be a proper hardcore mode.
Question is: Will TWI fix this or the mod teams?
Depending on which, I may aswell not buy RO3 but rather go around trying to find it in bushes (I always find games I don't have much hope in in bushes. I am really lucky)
Question is: Will TWI fix this or the mod teams?
Depending on which, I may aswell not buy RO3 but rather go around trying to find it in bushes (I always find games I don't have much hope in in bushes. I am really lucky)
I like it just as it is tbh.
Maybe its just the people who want the so called realistic mode are very fat and and just buy getting out there chair, going down stairs, making a pot of tea and coming back up the stairs brings them out in sweat with the shakes.
So they think its impossible to cover 100m in 20 seconds with little kit, hold up your rifle and let off a few rounds.......
Maybe its just the people who want the so called realistic mode are very fat and and just buy getting out there chair, going down stairs, making a pot of tea and coming back up the stairs brings them out in sweat with the shakes.
So they think its impossible to cover 100m in 20 seconds with little kit, hold up your rifle and let off a few rounds.......
Well you say there's little weapon sway, but also state you want the game to be more realistic. So which do you want? More sway or more realism? More sway would be less realistic.