What scenario do YOU want for Red Orchestra 3 ?

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Nestor Makhno

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Is it that time of year again? Seems like about this time every year someone brings up the idea of a winter war mod/expansion game and it is greeted with a lot of "Yeah, that would pwn!" and fizzles out.

Let's hope this time the Karelian Front people nail it, so people can move on to the number two niche theatre de nos jours, Korea.
 

Jpz38 Hetzer

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I'd rather see Kursk :cool: although there is a lot of great battles that have never been done in a fps before that would be great. So much untapped potential :/
 
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toyohoshi

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I'd love a First Indochina War setting.

I've been reading a lot about this conflict and the more I do, the more I also think it would be perfect for Red Orchestra style gameplay. Now of course, from a marketing perspective the First Indochina War is a harder sell than WW2. But if Tripwire would actually do any form of marketing, even a setting like the one I'm suggesting would sell more copies than RO2:HOS.

Anyway, about what I'm suggesting...

The First Indochina War would be interesting because, mainly it's never been done. It would be considerably different from Rising Storm, both the weaponry used and the location, i.e. maps would look totally different. There is a wide range of different interesting uniforms and equipment loadouts for both the French colonial forces as well as for the vietminh. The weapons used is an interesting mix of old World War 2, combined with modern semi-automatic rifles. As a compliment to their own weapons the French used a lot of American weapons and equipment but also British (like the Sten gun and Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I). The Viet Minh on the other hand used a mix of French, Chinese, Soviet, Japanese and British weapons.

A short list of Weapons:

French
- MAS-36 (French made bolt action rifle, early years)
- MAS-49 (French Semi-automatic rifle, it was the main rifle of the French after 1951)
- FM 24/29 (standard light-machine gun, slowly faced out after 1952, however not completely)
- AA-52 machine gun (late war machine gun)
- MAT-49 (Submachine gun, main automatic weapon)
- Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I (used by the French Foreign Legion)
- M1919 Browning machine gun (Foreign Legion and French colonial)
- M1 carbine (French and Foreign Legion)
- Browning Automatic Rifle (French and Foreign Legion)
- Thompson M1928 (French and Foreign Legion)
- Sten Gun (Used by French special forces, often with silencers)

Viet Minh
- Mauser C96 (Chinese version of the K98, almost the main rifle early war)
- MAS-36 (Caputred from overrun forts and garrisons)
- Mosin-Nagant
- SVT-40
- Ariasak (very limited, captured from surrendered Japanese)
- SKS
- PPSh-41
- PPS
- Degtyaryov machine gun
- Ariasak (captured from the Japanese)
- Thompson (limited, supplied by the British and Americans during WW2)
- Sten gun (limited,supplied by the British)
- RPG-2 (first full scale use of Rocket Propelled Grenades against armor)
As well as a variety of other medium and heavy machine guns from from both China and Soviet.

Maps
Aside from pure djungle maps, hamlets and rice paddy fields many of the battles would be Viet Minh surrounding and attacking forts made of concrete. However, a fort map would not just be a fort in the middle with jungle around. I'm imagining maps with three levels. First the Viet Minh have to capture the forward scouting positions and bunkers in the surrounding terrain. The second level is the trench line, with barbwire, dugouts and sandbag bunkers, that's surrounding the main fort. Last and final level would be the concrete fort.

French soldiers
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It has been done before. Look up the game "7554."
 

Mazryonh

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Is it that time of year again? Seems like about this time every year someone brings up the idea of a winter war mod/expansion game and it is greeted with a lot of "Yeah, that would pwn!" and fizzles out.

Let's hope this time the Karelian Front people nail it, so people can move on to the number two niche theatre de nos jours, Korea.

Even now, despite all of TWI's efforts to balance the factions in both HoS and RS, people still complain about faction balancing in those games. A "Winter War" RO game would be even worse, given the vast technology level differences between the two factions, which was largely equalized via looting and theft by the Finnish.

Let's go with the Korean War instead. Assets from both HoS and TS can be reused, and getting the vast numbers of South Korean PC gamers on our side would be great!
 

Cat_in_da_Hat

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Let's go with the Korean War instead. Assets from both HoS and TS can be reused, and getting the vast numbers of South Korean PC gamers on our side would be great!

Korean War does seem logical.

I want a custom character designed to look like Hawkeye Peirce from MASH.
 
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Is it that time of year again? Seems like about this time every year someone brings up the idea of a winter war mod/expansion game and it is greeted with a lot of "Yeah, that would pwn!" and fizzles out.

Let's hope this time the Karelian Front people nail it, so people can move on to the number two niche theatre de nos jours, Korea.
I just have to nitpick this. Your post make it seem like The Karelian Front team is/was making a mod about the Winter War but that's false. They are/were making a mod about the Continuation War.
 

Rattler

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Ehm,
I don't want to take your illusions but Americans actually lost you know...

They didn't. Check the casualties for both sides and you will see that the US won the war.

In short:

Afganistan: Too unbalanced weaponry?

Vietnam: Ever heard about In country Vietnam? Also weapons are maybe too modern for Ro game.

Both statements are wrong. Try playing Insurgency and you will see that the automatic weapons are fine for such gameplay.
 
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Perun58

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They didn't. Check the casualties for both sides and you will see that the US won the war.

And Germans actually won the war having smaller casualties then Allies?

Since Vietnam is still communist even today I think it's clear that Americans lost.
 
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Rattler

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And Germans actually won the war having smaller casualties then Allies?

Since Vietnam is still communist even today I think it's clear that Americans lost.

With the Germans its totally different case. Even with their higher kill ratio, in the end they got annihilated while in the Vietnam War conflict, the US went back home because they wanted to. They were not annihilated. It was the NVA that got crushed. There is a death card writing that says "We have a home - where is YOUR home?" and thats exactly what happened - the US killed tons of people compared to their own loses and they destroyed many villages, destroyed the terrain and stuff. All loses are on the NVA's side.
 

Gudenrath

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With the Germans its totally different case. Even with their higher kill ratio, in the end they got annihilated while in the Vietnam War conflict, the US went back home because they wanted to. They were not annihilated. It was the NVA that got crushed. There is a death card writing that says "We have a home - where is YOUR home?" and thats exactly what happened - the US killed tons of people compared to their own loses and they destroyed many villages, destroyed the terrain and stuff. All loses are on the NVA's side.

That's rather disingenious. They did not go back home because they "wanted to". They were forced to do so as their South Vietnamese foundation had been undermined and eventually completely crumbled.

Also killing people does not win a war in itself. The American military leadership thought it did, and pursued that policy for a long time, but it ended up ending very badly for them, and it has been a valuable lesson with regards to counter-guerilla warfare ever since.
 
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Partizan™

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With the Germans its totally different case. Even with their higher kill ratio, in the end they got annihilated while in the Vietnam War conflict, the US went back home because they wanted to. They were not annihilated. It was the NVA that got crushed. There is a death card writing that says "We have a home - where is YOUR home?" and thats exactly what happened - the US killed tons of people compared to their own loses and they destroyed many villages, destroyed the terrain and stuff. All loses are on the NVA's side.
Lol dude are you serious? Was the objective of the USA to kill as many people as possible or to stop communists from taking control of Indo-China? If it was to kill as many as possible they should have just dropped nuclear bombs. All those homes and infrastructure were rebuild. Not to mention that the Vietnam War left US with the reputation of insane imperialist murderers. Such a pointless war that cost 60 000 young and old Americans their lives, double that number were left with serious physical or mental wounds. Only an insane man would present the murder millions of people as a victory.
Any further attempts of you to defend an opinion that cannot be defended will be viewed as trolling or insanity, good bye.
 

Partizan™

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That's rather disingenious. They did not go back home because they "wanted to". They were forced to do so as their South Vietnamese foundation had been undermined and eventually completely crumbled.

Also killing people does not win a war in itself. The American military leadership thought it did, and pursued that policy for a long time, but it ended up ending very badly for them, and it has been a valuable lesson with regards to counter-guerilla warfare ever since.
Yes, to a sensible man at least, this should be obvious.
 

Jank

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You have to understand that it's a modern US nationalist myth that we "won the Vietnam War". Facts don't matter to folks who want to believe this. Just like there was a post-WWI German nationalist myth that Germany was betrayed by politicians and could have won WWI, despite the Central Powers' military might having been utterly exhausted and Allied might growing by the day at the end of 1918.


At best, it's one of those psychological defense mechanisms adopted by people who can't handle losing from time to time. You know them, we've all played games with folks like that. At worst, its something more dangerous...


You can't win em all. We didn't win... but you should have seen the other guy. ;)
 
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