Alright, you can't just go off and say that without offering some constructive criticism. Give us a few more lines explaining your opinion so you don't just sound like a troll. You too, Void.
What exactly do 'we' want
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Alright, you can't just go off and say that without offering some constructive criticism. Give us a few more lines explaining your opinion so you don't just sound like a troll. You too, Void.
This quite honestly is BS.
First of all, it took an excessively long time for them to come out with 'Classic' mode and then almost as long to tweak it to the way it is now. Most of the Base community as you put it got fed up from feeling betrayed (for supporting TWI) and left by the time it came out. Even funnier is how they said they came up with 'Action' mode over a long weekend, but working on Classic took so long? Seriously? But, as most of us know TWI had to fix lots of bugs and optimize the game after its release. Now most of this I did not suffer from, so I sat back quietly and waited while listening to some players complaining they could not get 120 fps out of the game with their newer computers.
I mean, come on, I know TWI said that ROHOS was the way they wanted ROOST to be if they had a budget, but knowing the game they made with ROOST, and then how they made Realism (and 'gamier' Relaxed Realism), what did they honestly think their fans were going to say. "Oh boy, I liked ROOST because you slowed the game down and made it more tactical unlike COD for example, but I love the fact that you sped up ROHOS to play more like COD???" What??? Of course not.
When the game was released, Realism should have been how Classic is now and 'Relaxed Realism' as it was initially called should have been what Realism is now.
Luckily not in this game!
Can you remember when they were so full of pride for their modder background?
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I want developers to forget in-tank animations. Its very ambitious, but hurts the game, because it makes almost impossible to release other tanks.
How many other tanks was released?
It is enough to make delays when you change roles in tank, some sound and that's it.
It is better to spend time on damage model, penetration systems, damaged tanks visuals, new tanks and so on.
How many other tanks was released?
It is enough to make delays when you change roles in tank, some sound and that's it.
It is better to spend time on damage model, penetration systems, damaged tanks visuals, new tanks and so on.
Hello players and forumers
I am agree with the post of Oldsoldier. (Agree with what you criticize. )
Stalingrad need Fighters !
Reducing history among weapons is an error. (point of view of Aaz77)
One front, one period. Be realist.
Reducing history among front is an error. (point of view of Kleist)
One front, one way. Be realist.
my opinion :
(A first point where I disagree with you Oldsoldier )
Stalingrad is not only a " Infantryman's battle "...
Stalingrad is the " biggest infantry street fighting of every times " ! With Stalingrad we have the Infantry street fighting battle by excellence !
(As the same way we have the Blitzkrieg by excellence in the desert of Africa)
We must walk in this way ! The Stalingrad way...
To perform RO 2 we need a "Stalingrad Way".
Not a Kursk way, a Bagration way, or a Berlin way...(Kleist)
We don't need Kursk weapons, Bagration weapons, or Berlin Weapons...(Aaz77)
A second point where I disagree with you Oldsoldier :
"Semi historic" ? No. RO 2 is Historic game.
RO 2 is not a simulation but RO 2 is more than a "semi historic" game.
We will have a "semi historic" game when RO 2 will have a sub machine gun mp40 with silencer (Aaz77) and when we will have tanks of late war period (Kleist)...So Here Oldsoldier you can start to call RO 2 a "semi historic" game.
What said Aaz77 is a joke...AND what said Kleist is ALSO a joke !
Stalingrad just need "Stalingraders" !!!
How "Stalingraders" hate themself and Stalingrad ?
They dislike Stalingrad : they want late war period ? (why not early war period ? early war period is interresting too)
They dislike Stalingrad weapons : they want late war period...
Fatal error...Fatal error in one side or the other...
We just need to Perform Stalingrad by Stalingrad !
RO 2 is an Historic game who need to become Historic.
What need RO 2 ? to be performed...(in the good way !)
My opinion :
"My Way ? ...Stalingrad !"
RO2player
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i dont get about 90% of what you said there, but some phrases seemed weird to me:
*We will have a "semi historic" game when RO 2 will have a sub machine gun mp40 with silencer (Aaz77) and when we will have tanks of late war period (Kleist)...*
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
we ALREADY have such things as MkB42, PPS42, scoped G41 with 1944 scope (for every german sniper) in Stalingrad battle, in your favourite "realism" we also have MP40 with double mag, SVT-40 with x6 scope ( and i still dont understand what is this ) and you say after that, if we add silenced MP40 it will make semi historic game??? silenced MP40 ( also stg44, g43 and mauser98k ) EXISTED at least and it was even CAPTURED, what i cant say about weapons that i called before. And if it will be semi-historic game after adding silenced mp40.. you think its historic now? with 100% balance, with absolutely no usable AT cannons ( zis-3, pak40 ), with lots of unhistorical weapons, their characteristics and numbers; only 2 tanks, no transporters, etc?
*Reducing history among weapons is an error. (point of view of Aaz77)
One front, one period. Be realist.
Reducing history among front is an error. (point of view of Kleist)
One front, one way. Be realist.*
guys you totally dont understand what i say.. you think that i am fanatic of Stalingrad battle and thats why i want only this, so let me explain better and make it clear.
I want all war in the game as much as you, and i am not fanatic of Stalingrad battle, i want to see other things much more, Leningrad battle for example, because i have never seen it in RO.
But i said that we need to make Stalingrad battle first BECAUSE ITS STARTED. Now we have the biggest progress in game at Stalingrad battle - maps, uniforms, voices, etc. Yes, we also have mistakes that i called before, but STALINGRAD BATTLE HAS THE BIGGEST PROGRESS NOW.
let me show the " table of progress ", it is not finished of course but it will let you understand better:
Stalingrad battle: |---------------[]--------|
Berlin battle: |--[]---------------------|
Kursk battle: |--------[]---------------|
Leningrad battle: |--------[]---------------|
etc etc..
Do you understand that its much better to FINISH 1 THING FIRST THAT IS ALREADY STARTED AND HAS THE BIGGEST PROGRESS, than make EVERYTHING and finish NOTHING? if we will do like kleist says, we will start ALL battles from ALL time periods and in result we will have NOTHING FINISHED. You want this?
I want first finish 1 thing and THEN start another things.
I hope you understand me now..
Aaz77
Semi historic is a game with prototypes, unregular or anachronistic weapons and vehicles. (Same for weapons, same for vehicles : the same error.)
When we will see mp40 with silencer we can call RO 2 a "semi historic" game.
But RO 2 is an historic game.
A lot of thing from Stalingrad doesn't have been seen for the moment too...Maybe you can have fun too in South sector 1942, do you know it ? (i am talking to you Aaz77)
Operation Mars, or Sevastopol 1942 or the second battle of Karkov. Sector South 1942 : That's the way.
Theses part of war must to be in RO 2...We "never see them before."
If we want to perform RO 2, it's in the South sector we can "perfectly" perform it !
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Prototype guns in the game:
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C96 full auto
MG-34 double drum mag
Mkb-42(H) - prototype that WAS NOT IN STALINGRAD
AVT-40
MP-40 with double mag
Non-existing guns in the game
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SVT-40 with 6x scope
G-41 with scope (existed but not in 1942)
PPS-42
Red Orchestra 2 is not historical game, it's historical as CoD2.
Yep Perun,
Prototypes is the starting of death for RO 2...
A SHAME.
BUT RO 2 IS HISTORIC... The way RO 2 is a game we can say : it's historic. Not the prototype. But the way of the game.
it's why if mp40 silencer will be add, (or late war period tanks ) we can call "semi historic" the game RO 2.
just little fixes:
There is no reason to say that AVT wasnt in Stalingrad;
PPS-42 is prototype, but anyway it wasnt in Stalingrad.
mp40 with silencer is not prototype, it existed and it was used on the front. If it will be used on proper map in proper numbers it will not brake any historical accuracy.
Please, tell me, why do u think that RO2 is historic when it has LOADS of unhistorical things and why do you think it would become " semi-historic " when TWI add silenced MP40 where it really existed?
logic, logic, logic...
Unhistoric are the anachronistics weapons (stg 44 mkb 42 pps42 avt40 etc). Not the game and the way of the game.
I think the GAME is realist.
And few WEAPONS are unhistoric. (mkb 42 avt 40 pps42 etc)
With a mp 40 with silencer added the game will become more unhistoric...
Don't dream... Asking silencer for mp40 it's a way of thinking of modern FPS. Aaz77, Do not play the Hero (of stalingrad
) You are thinking RO 2 in modern way...Tank Maus existed also you want to add it ?
Silencers make game less historic. I want regular troop with regular weapons ! That's my way to play !
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because we can have regular troop with regular weapons.
That's the game who give the best condition to work in this way.
For me RO 2 is historic ( with few problem pps42 mkb42 avt 40 etc)
But if we add silencer on mp40 RO 2 will become "semi historic"...
Unhistoric are the anachronistics weapons (stg 44 mkb 42 pps42 avt40 etc). Not the game and the way of the game.
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I disagree if the silenced Mp40 was in service then add it in. Just limit is to Team Leader or something. More weapons should be restricted. Like one Elite Assault per map, that way we wouldn't suffer from mkb42 spam.
I think the GAME is realist.
And few WEAPONS are unhistoric. (mkb 42 avt 40 pps42 etc)
With a mp 40 with silencer added the game will become more unhistoric...
Don't dream... Asking silencer for mp40 it's a way of thinking of modern FPS. Aaz77, Do not play the Hero (of stalingrad
Tank Maus existed also you want to add it ?
Silencers make game less historic. I want regular troop with regular weapons ! That's my way to play !
you mix absolutely different things. You mix up historical accuracy and " your way to play ". Sorry, but history doesnt ask you what you want. I totally dont understand your weird phrase about " modern FPS" with silencers... how the hell the silencers are connected to " modern FPS "? They WERE in WW2 and they WERE USED and i see no problem here. Those weapons just need to be placed in correct maps in correct numbers and thats all.
I see that absolutely everything what you write here just have no logic, absolutely..
Aaz77,
"Were used"...BY COMMANDO.
Regular German and Soviet ARMY don't used it. British commando used it.
Don't mix German army or Soviet army in commando...
Regular soldiers and officers don't use silencers. We are not commando.
One mkb42 : it's again TOO MUCH MKB42...(same thing for pps42 avt 40) (Perun is right )
Regular soldiers need only regular weapons ( luger mg 42)
And not : mkb 42 avt 40 pps42
or : stg 44 g43 fg42 panzerfaust tiger II panther
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