What am I breaking?
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yes - the brakes in many cases - they won't be steering to the left going forward if you take out the left front brake -
edit: Remember, if you are to the left of center from the front then shoot the left side first - that way if you get the brakes they will sooner or later usually steer to the right after the left brake is out and you have more of a chance that the hull gunner will veer too far off to get you automatically the next time you pop up for the next shots
edit: Remember, if you are to the left of center from the front then shoot the left side first - that way if you get the brakes they will sooner or later usually steer to the right after the left brake is out and you have more of a chance that the hull gunner will veer too far off to get you automatically the next time you pop up for the next shots
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Correct. It's one of the few things that you can do to the Pz4 from the front that isn't hugely sensitive to slight angle changes. One shot to each side is sufficient, once you see the flash, that side's steering is toast.
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Field Marshal Rommel
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No. The brakes are located inside the hull glacis:
Maybe you are "breaking" this area which should not be possible by AT rifle:
Realistically, you should not be able to do this as this area is very thick rounded cast armor and the brakes themselves are inside the hull. In other words its a pro-AT rifle bias tank nerfage...
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Congratulations, you've discovered that the AT rifles in the Red Orchestra series are superpowered far beyond any historical justification. You might also be surprised to find out that the grenades are unrealistically underpowered, as is all artillery and the 7.92x33 round, to hit the highlights. Also, soldiers magically resurrect behind friendly lines a short period after they're killed, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case in WW2.
Edit to add: but yes, that large rounded armor chunk is exactly what the brake target area is in the game.
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So, would you rather have the AT soldiers do nothing in practice?
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While it would be historically accurate to portray them realistically (by this, I mean they would be completely ineffective vs. these tanks in most circumstances), it would certainly detract from the point of using them in-game against tanks. Despite being superpowered in comparison to their real life counterparts, AT rifle(s) do have a high learning curve but when you do figure out how to use them, you can really harass and possibly ruin a tanker's day. I think people are unrealistically expecting the AT rifle(s) to be capable of instantly destroying tanks with a single shot against the frontal armor, when in-game this may require all of your ammunition to simply damage it, let alone get a kill.
Besides, what other infantry-based hardware do we have in-game that allows for limb removal / decapitations on a headshot?
Besides, what other infantry-based hardware do we have in-game that allows for limb removal / decapitations on a headshot?
A well timed air-burst grenade usually works.
Must admit, I'm one of thoes people who just shoots at the tank, having no idea what I'm aiming at other th'n generally trying to go for the back / engine block.
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Field Marshal Rommel
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No. I would rather the AT soldiers have weapons that act realistically and consistantly in a realistic manner and used to target the appropriate areas such as the side/rear armor at the appropriate distance/angle instead of having 'fake' "brake hitspots" or "miscellaneous T34 frontal turret hitspots" on the front armor just to appease and boost the capability of an obsolete AT rifle.
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Or maybe use them as an anti-materiel rifle, shooting enemy supply crates and destroying them
Or half-track engine blocks...
But since it's never gonna be made right, why even bother.
Or half-track engine blocks...
But since it's never gonna be made right, why even bother.
Simply, you've got the wrong game. RO is not trying to be a wargame with a first-person mode, if the respawning alone didn't make that obvious enough. The tanks not being historically invulnerable to infantry is not a bug, or a design error - it's exactly how it's meant to be, because the armor presence to begin with is equally over the top. Modeling armor realistically in a Stalingrad setting would also, among other things, mean there'd be one tank to every 1300 troops. It would be essentially a massively powerful random addition that occurs once every 8 maps or so. Even if you're assuming an assault force getting top armor priority, the tanks sure as hell shouldn't respawn, much less at the same reinforcement cost as a rifleman. A game built under design premises like that could be interesting .... but that's not what Red Orchestra is, ever has been, or is likely to ever be.
that sounds like my idea for the campaign.
It would be good to get allocated different formation make up for different maps according to the situation.
a) Get a panzer unit when a big push is on.
b) Do badly and get left with a rag tag unit kit out for defence including AT guns
c) Get elite shock troops kit and unit insignia for factory assaults
d) Get panzer grenadier units with infantry and half tracks randomly when you are attacking.
e) Get a standard infantry unit in defence on a map and the server may even roll you AT guns and a vehicle to tow it if your lucky.
f) Randomly get extra re-enforcements from an off map unit coming up to help or from behind. this includes the enemy noticing a change in unit insignia and perhaps even skin.
It would be even better if the over all commander could actually move units around a little like on the close combat games strat map. Except when you zoom instead of RTS you are FPS.
It would be good to get allocated different formation make up for different maps according to the situation.
a) Get a panzer unit when a big push is on.
b) Do badly and get left with a rag tag unit kit out for defence including AT guns
c) Get elite shock troops kit and unit insignia for factory assaults
d) Get panzer grenadier units with infantry and half tracks randomly when you are attacking.
e) Get a standard infantry unit in defence on a map and the server may even roll you AT guns and a vehicle to tow it if your lucky.
f) Randomly get extra re-enforcements from an off map unit coming up to help or from behind. this includes the enemy noticing a change in unit insignia and perhaps even skin.
It would be even better if the over all commander could actually move units around a little like on the close combat games strat map. Except when you zoom instead of RTS you are FPS.
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