Western allies vs Russia

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wokelly

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I always hear about how many Germans the Russians killed compared to the Western Allies, but I am never able to find how many troops each side captured.

Basically a captured soldier might as well be dead to his side, because he is gone. I know the Western allies netted probibly the biggest catches of prisioners, case in point the Rhine River, Failse Pocket, British early success against Italians, Other smaller actions in the desert, Italy 1943 -1945 compared to Russia who had Stalingrad, and then 1944-1945 operations. I know the Germans were terrified of being captured by the Russians, and in 1945 the Germans were surrendering en-mass to the western allies.

I just want to see how many German troops the Western allies effectively removed from the war compared to the Russian numbers. I realize they did most of the brutal fighting in the war, but I feel like the western allies are downgraded a bit because the numbers brought forward are numbers killed, not captured, which in my opionion is just as good since the soldiers were out of the war.
 

malice

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Well the russians did encircle the whole 6th army at Stalingrad, how many survived the massive arty attacks I'm not sure but its still alot of people.
 

Droog

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http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html


KIA/MIA/WIA, by Campaigns

German KIA, Polish Campaign: 16,343
German MIA, Polish Campaign: 320
German WIA, Polish Campaign: 27,280

German KIA, Norwegian Campaign: 4,975
German MIA, Norwegian Campaign: 691
German WIA, Norwegian Campaign: 1,600

German KIA, French Campaign: 46,000+
German MIA, French Campaign: 1,000+
German WIA, French Campaign: 111,640

German KIA, the West to 5.31.44: 20,000+
German MIA, the West to 5.31.44: 1,700+
German WIA, the West to 5.31.44: ??

German KIA, Balkan Campaign: 1,206
German MIA, Balkan Campaign: 3,915
German WIA, Balkan Campaign: 534

German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 24,267
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 12,060
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: ??

German KIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 1,419,728
German MIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 997.056
German WIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 3,498,060

German KIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 12,808
German MIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 90,052
German WIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 4.43 ??

German KIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 47,873
German MIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 97,154
German WIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 163,600

German KIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 66,266
German MIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 338,933
German WIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 399,860

German KIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 64,055
German MIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 1,315
German WIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: ??
 

DingBat

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malice said:
Well the russians did encircle the whole 6th army at Stalingrad, how many survived the massive arty attacks I'm not sure but its still alot of people.

I might be wrong, and it'd be a close thing, but I believe more Germans surrendered in africa at the end than were lost with the 6th army at Stalingrad. I'll have to ask Alan.
 

wokelly

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DingBat said:
I might be wrong, and it'd be a close thing, but I believe more Germans surrendered in africa at the end than were lost with the 6th army at Stalingrad. I'll have to ask Alan.

Thats the thing, Russians netted about 90,000 prisioners at stalingrad, of an army of over 300,000 which the remainder was likely killed. Anyways, Rhine pocket netted 500,000 prisoners, but of not great quality troops. Falaise was something like 300,000 German prisionrs killed and captured, including the members of many SS high quality units. Those are the big two I remember, and I know the Russians killed off 400,000 German POWs during and after the war, so they captured 400,000 at least.

Just I know the war was really between Russia and Germany, but the Western allies captured some massive pockets of German troops. I'm just interested to know.
 

Zoring

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Well as you mentioned the reason the Western Allies captured so many compared to the Russians is that the Germans would much much much rather be captured by them. Often fighting or retreating instead of surrendering when the Russians came around. Plus you have the exodus in the last months of Germans running to the West to get away from the Russians