vietnam games
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I've been wondering the same thing lately. I would love a Vietnam war multiplayer FPS in the same style as Battlefield Vietnam with choppers and planes, but a more realistic version. BFV and all the other Vietnam war based games/mods such as Vietcong had a great atmosphere. Too bad so many game developers either move to the WW2 or Modern war theme which are getting rather boring.
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Unbalanced gameplay
Unbalanced gameplay
I would hate to be VC or NVA in this game. US had maximum firepower. US KIA/MIA +58K...Estimated VC/NVA KIA/MIA > 2 Million.
With a 34:1 ratio, no one would want to play opposite the US since you'd spend all your time dying and running to the front! (If it is based on current RO)...and people are always complaining about all the running around!
It would be like the Sherman tanks in initial DH release, maybe one ineffective US round and then 'pop', one German round and the Sherman is dead. I'm guessing the Sherman's weakness will be adjusted to balance DH gameplay even though it may be accurate to what really happened...
Unbalanced gameplay
I would hate to be VC or NVA in this game. US had maximum firepower. US KIA/MIA +58K...Estimated VC/NVA KIA/MIA > 2 Million.
With a 34:1 ratio, no one would want to play opposite the US since you'd spend all your time dying and running to the front! (If it is based on current RO)...and people are always complaining about all the running around!
It would be like the Sherman tanks in initial DH release, maybe one ineffective US round and then 'pop', one German round and the Sherman is dead. I'm guessing the Sherman's weakness will be adjusted to balance DH gameplay even though it may be accurate to what really happened...
I loved the multiplayer of Vietcong!
There where some incredible maps big with a high density of foliage and i loved that the sound of the empty shellcasings made different sounds depending on the ground!
i reinstalled it about a year ago but there where no server online anymore! :-(
There where some incredible maps big with a high density of foliage and i loved that the sound of the empty shellcasings made different sounds depending on the ground!
i reinstalled it about a year ago but there where no server online anymore! :-(
the game doesnt have to involve the mass bombing and shelling of NVA positions, villages etc.
just concentrate on jungle/urban inf combat and there you go - the jungle's a great leveller.
I'm just as happy to play vc or nva as US, and for what it's worth i wish for a vietnam game from TWI next. ( a sprititual successor to vietcong - VC2 had the potential but support for it was dropped almost instantly so it was effectivly still born)
As an ignored theatre of late I recon it could do really well, appealing to most of us, not competing as strongly with Ro and offering an opportunity for an inevitable ground up WW2 mod.
Anyone had any joy with that vietnam mod for BF2? (i forget what it's called)
Mine didnt run and i heard it was a mess unfortunately.
From my point of view it's a shame one of the Ro mod teams didn't create a vietnam mod instead, just from the point of view of offering something new - but I appreciate thats not an opinion popular with those for whom too much normandy is never enough.
Yep, I think Vietcong is pretty much the only real good Vietnam game ever made... but man, it's good!
I just had a quick check and there was 342 peeps on 67 servers playing ctf and 45 players involved in Coop play
You got fist alpha installed and you patched to 1.60? ( although servers should still show up)
Yes i agree, cong was probably my all time favourite online shooter, with BFV and cod around when it was released it didnt seem that impressive at 1st but quickly aquired greatness.
Problem is the anticheat support has ended so ctf is occasionally ruined by cheats.
However I highly recommend organised coop play in vietcong as a very intense experience, theres a v large number of missions to try.
BFV was cool in MP too. There were no real jungles, but flying around with the Hueys was very atmospheric non the less.
Only one of the mods is about Normandy and they did a great job with it. Don't bash them just because other devs covered the same theater before them. Not their fault.
I suppose Vietnam was ruled out since jungle environments are a lot harder to do than meadows, deserts or even urban areas. Especially with the sizes that are basically required for a RO map to be playable.
BFV had an outstanding soundtrack. Not a bad game overall anyway, except for the bots. Those were pretty much the sh
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Aren't people bored of Vietnam in media yet? I've never known a conflict (obviously aside from the second world war - but lets face it, everyone was involved) so frequently portrayed in popular media.
And games! Battlefield Vietnam, Men of Valor, MoH: Vietnam, Shellshock: Nam '67, Vietcong, Fist Alpha, Vietcong 2 blah blah blah. And some mods...
There were other locations in other wars that involved jungle combat, ww2 US forces in the pacific, British Chindit forces in Burma, the Malayan communist party fighting with the British in the late 40's, the first Indochina war, Borneo...I'm sure some more research would produce some others. All of these would doubtless prove to be more entertaining than yet another Vietnam title.
And games! Battlefield Vietnam, Men of Valor, MoH: Vietnam, Shellshock: Nam '67, Vietcong, Fist Alpha, Vietcong 2 blah blah blah. And some mods...
There were other locations in other wars that involved jungle combat, ww2 US forces in the pacific, British Chindit forces in Burma, the Malayan communist party fighting with the British in the late 40's, the first Indochina war, Borneo...I'm sure some more research would produce some others. All of these would doubtless prove to be more entertaining than yet another Vietnam title.
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The problem is while there's quite a few Vietnam games there's few really good ones. I know everyone here seems to be in love with Vietcong, and yeah it was an ok game but it was pretty badly hampered by technical issues and bugs.
The SP campaign was overall pretty good but it really was pretty damn cheesy at times, I really got annoyed with the way my guys rocked around the bush like hooting dick holes spouting cliched lines over and over. Also the AI was of the 'insanely accurate' type, ever try playing the game on Vietnam difficulty? I managed to finish it on that, don't know how, but getting 1 shot killed by a VC with an old TT33 pistol from 500m away through multiple bushes was a pretty common occurance.
It could have had a great MP aspect also but it ws completely ruined by ****ty netcode, total lack of any cheat protection for most of it's life span and bugs galore.
I think a really good vietnam game could be smashing, I'd like to see one that featured the first indochina war with the French and then the war with the US and allies as well, would be really neat.
The SP campaign was overall pretty good but it really was pretty damn cheesy at times, I really got annoyed with the way my guys rocked around the bush like hooting dick holes spouting cliched lines over and over. Also the AI was of the 'insanely accurate' type, ever try playing the game on Vietnam difficulty? I managed to finish it on that, don't know how, but getting 1 shot killed by a VC with an old TT33 pistol from 500m away through multiple bushes was a pretty common occurance.
It could have had a great MP aspect also but it ws completely ruined by ****ty netcode, total lack of any cheat protection for most of it's life span and bugs galore.
I think a really good vietnam game could be smashing, I'd like to see one that featured the first indochina war with the French and then the war with the US and allies as well, would be really neat.
Yea, but Vietnam was alot of firsts. First use of mass formations of helicopters and use of modern helicopter tactics. First use of fighter jets equipped with missiles that tracked (I also believe first use of SAM's as well), the change from using full calibre rounds to medium calibre and the change in tactics from accurate fire to volume of fire, first use of the AC-47 "Spooky" in a denial role (or any role for that matter), and well many other things (claymores woot
)Vietnam really hasn't been properely done and with the next-gen performance looking good (not now, but hexa/octa-cores and so on), I think it would be prime time to make a well done Vietnam game.
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Whilst its true that other media is oversaturated with 'Nam (no doubt because it was the first televised war, so it left quite an impression), games haven't been, VC and its expansion is the only good one made in my opinion, and it was held back by alot of technical shortcommings, and a wee bit too much cheese in its SP campaign (forgiveable flaws, but still flaws).
We could certainly use another good one, especially now that current tech is actually capable of making jungle, something that has been very lacking in previous 'Nam games.
We could certainly use another good one, especially now that current tech is actually capable of making jungle, something that has been very lacking in previous 'Nam games.
There is a mod for BF1942 called "Eve of Destruction". I think it is as good and better than BF Vietnam.
Unfortunately, just a handful of people play it, mostly from the hslan gaming clan.
It is a very good mod for BF1942 though.
I tried starting at their forum a North American / Canadian Community Fight Night; unfortunately, I haven't had much luck forming a group.
They also have released Eve of Destruction 2 for Battlefield 2; I haven't tried that mod yet. They even had a EOD mod for BF Vietnam, but that has gone by the wayside and is no longer worked on.
I really wanted to like "Men of Valor" for Xbox; it's ok; the story line is pretty good for a game, and it takes place in the summer of 1965 a few months after thousands of U.S. troops were sent there.
You would really just be playing it for the story line though. The AI of the enemy troops is pretty crappy; that doesn't mean you don't get killed; you do, but if you just stay prone and wait for them, they will walk to the window or the doorway.
The men in your unit do kill the enemy, but they also tend to get in your way a lot, more than I cared for.
And you have to finish a entire section of the game before the saving function kicks in so you don't have to start at the beginning of that section of the game again.
You can get it used at a Game Stop Store for $10.00 or less; I paid $20.00 for the game, which is too much.
But the game does satirize CBS News (that's the TV network Walter Cronkite and Morley Safer worked at during the war) and in a broader sense, the media coverage.
I also liked it because they mention one of the soldiers in the game is from Detroit.
But you would have more fun playing Eve of Destruction, I think, either for BF1942, if you can maybe find some more people to play it, or EOD 2.
And best of all, if you own those games already, it is free.
In the U.S., the heyday for interest in Vietnam was in the 1980s; there were a lot of shows on TV about it then, TV series (A-Team; China Beach), movies (like Uncommon Valor and Platoon), and books that came out.
Now we have a new war, which in a way is a little similar, so that has overshadowed the old, and everyone's attention is on that now.
This year was the 40th anniversary of the TET offensive but I've seen nothing about Vietnam on TV here (they had something about the decade of the 1960's, but it wasn't a show that focused on the Vietnam war).
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That's very true, but I doubt many of these features will be implemented in such a game. At least, not for the player to control them.Yea, but Vietnam was alot of firsts. First use of mass formations of helicopters and use of modern helicopter tactics. First use of fighter jets equipped with missiles that tracked (I also believe first use of SAM's as well), the change from using full calibre rounds to medium calibre and the change in tactics from accurate fire to volume of fire, first use of the AC-47 "Spooky" in a denial role (or any role for that matter), and well many other things (claymores woot
Jungle warfare is unconventional, lots of traps and ambushes. There are also much larger factors concerning the environment and wildlife.
One of the other conflicts would be more interesting (imo), and a more whole experience because they could be implemented more completely.
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