Unscientific Pricing Poll - What would you pay for KF2?
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looking at the poll again... i dont get how a game that gives 3000 hrs of entertainment isnt worth $60.... hell, 60 hrs of entertainment is worth twice that.... not talking about a painful grind like destiny... more like how dragon age is a $60 game with +100 hrs content, the difference of coarse being that mp games by their nature are more repetitive (even though DA really is kill-quest/find-quest variations)
Some people can take any game and play it for a crap-ton of hours. But especially in the case of Killing Floor it's not because TWI put 3000 hours worth of actual content in the game. Far from it; that's just player dedication. KF1 is currently $20 and I think that is a very fair price for the game.
In interviews and the videos TWI has said that Killing Floor (2) is a simple game. It's just enjoyable enough to play over and over again. Price is (or is intended to be) related to how much the company thinks they can reasonably charge for each player to get the game and get back what they spent on development + some profit. Games like Call of Duty and recently Battlefield have singleplayer campaigns even though most people focus on the multiplayer because it adds value to the game. It helps justify those $60 price tags.
To me, any game that provides even 60 hours of good gaming for $60 is a BETTER DEAL THAN I USUALLY GET... I don't usually get 60 hours of gaming out of most of the games that I played...
A doller-per-hour of gameplay or less is something I just can't look negatively on.... Compared to the amount-of-money per hour spent on other things like going to the movie theater, hell, even buying a movie...
Every day and night, movie theaters and amusement parks are packed full of people getting a worse deal than this...
If people REALLY feel that $60 is too much for a game, then I say, tough break, wait for a Steam sale, the rest of us who want a product on a next gen engine using intensive artistic resources and thorough Quality Assistance will take the plunge for you... I will happily welcome those players when they come online a year or more later.
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I use the dollar per hour measure as well when trying to roughly gauge the value I get from X game. Getting a 1:1 ratio for me is par. Course, yeah I'll take other things into consideration like how much went into the game* and there's quite a bit of variance. But ultimately it's about what I get out of it. I've overpaid on some games with no replay value but the experience of the short playthrough was worth it. Like going to an Imax theater. Other times like KF, the ratio is hella small. And that's the jackpot to find a game like that.
And I agree with the point about the future sales. I was making a related point in the locked price thread I think. Steam sales and the passage of time will ultimately reduce the price to a fraction of the cost. I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to begin with a higher price. It'll be at 25% off come summer or Halloween sale anyways.
(*And honestly, I feel like gamers probably are underestimating the costs of the games they play. It reminds me of when people were complaining about fighting game DLC and the skull girls creator actually wrote a basic breakdown of where the money actually goes. It was rather eye opening.)
And I agree with the point about the future sales. I was making a related point in the locked price thread I think. Steam sales and the passage of time will ultimately reduce the price to a fraction of the cost. I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to begin with a higher price. It'll be at 25% off come summer or Halloween sale anyways.
(*And honestly, I feel like gamers probably are underestimating the costs of the games they play. It reminds me of when people were complaining about fighting game DLC and the skull girls creator actually wrote a basic breakdown of where the money actually goes. It was rather eye opening.)
59$
I would like to pay less, but considering how much i loved your first game i would fork over 59$. Price x2 = hours of game play i want. That's usually when i become happy with what i spent my money on. Although sometimes it takes less. I would love to pay 19.99$ since i will be buying for at least two others, you'll get the 60 out of me anyway.
I would like to pay less, but considering how much i loved your first game i would fork over 59$. Price x2 = hours of game play i want. That's usually when i become happy with what i spent my money on. Although sometimes it takes less. I would love to pay 19.99$ since i will be buying for at least two others, you'll get the 60 out of me anyway.
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40-60 is a big but perfectly okay window with me. You do get that minor anxiety in the back of your mind that KF2 is just more, better, of the same. It sort of is, that's basically what sequels are, but it's hard to guage how replay value refreshes under those circumstances. I'd still drop 60$ on it, but I might be in a more fortuneate situation than others. And if the servers aren't populated to the brim, I won't enjoy it quite as much.
Nevermind maximizing longevity
rice ratio, all I am concerned with is that they get the maximum amount of sales they can, the game deserves it, and I want a hearty population to play with. Evolve is suffering horridly in that regard.
But, a big but, is the DLC spewing nature of KF. I'm okay with the DLC they put out, it's usually fine investments in prolonging the life of the game by decent amounts, worth their 5$ each time. But the fact that they're a thing that exists and will probably happen, should make you more comfortable to opt for the lower price over the higher price on the base game. They'll easily milk most of us for the +60$, so let them do it that way so that the less fortuneate folks can get in with their cheaper than AAA prices, then occasionally pick up little straggler packs if they can or want to, whilst we heavier wallet wielders can keep instabuying all the content and at full price and being the big supporters.
Nevermind maximizing longevity
rice ratio, all I am concerned with is that they get the maximum amount of sales they can, the game deserves it, and I want a hearty population to play with. Evolve is suffering horridly in that regard.But, a big but, is the DLC spewing nature of KF. I'm okay with the DLC they put out, it's usually fine investments in prolonging the life of the game by decent amounts, worth their 5$ each time. But the fact that they're a thing that exists and will probably happen, should make you more comfortable to opt for the lower price over the higher price on the base game. They'll easily milk most of us for the +60$, so let them do it that way so that the less fortuneate folks can get in with their cheaper than AAA prices, then occasionally pick up little straggler packs if they can or want to, whilst we heavier wallet wielders can keep instabuying all the content and at full price and being the big supporters.
I feel like It'd be reasonable to charge $12.99 to $19.99 for early access. Once the game has all of its base features (i.e. perks, weapons characters, maps etc), then bump the price up around $29.99 to $39.99, maybe more. I'll assume the game will be worth any amount that is charged, but lets not be outrageous here.
lol sorry, but gotta laugh at the humor. I'd say $12.99 is outrageously low for a semi-Triple A title even if there is an EA discount. At $19.99 you still would be hard pressed to find anyone complain. EA usually offers you a small discount so depending on the actual retail value that boost could be like $5-10, anything higher is dreaming unless raptor jesus blesses us.
Keep in mind though, the game is pretty much confirmed to be released in early access, meaning It'll be released as an unfinished game. The fact that some things will be missing upon release, It'd be a bit unreasonable to charge somebody full value for an incomplete game. $12.99 was my lowest estimate, $19.99 being the most reasonable value for this game in early access, since they have worded that the game should be in a near complete state. This game I'm sure will be worth whatever they charge, but these are just my views on this.
I voted $50, because I would be willing to pay that.
BUT KF is only really fun with friends and if it is $50 my friends might not buy it and then I might not pay that much money...
So it is kind of hard to say what I would be willing to pay
But what I can say is that I would pay $30 and not feel bad, no matter if my friends buy it or not. I think that is the fairest price, if TWI can sell it at that amount without loosing money.
BUT KF is only really fun with friends and if it is $50 my friends might not buy it and then I might not pay that much money...
So it is kind of hard to say what I would be willing to pay
But what I can say is that I would pay $30 and not feel bad, no matter if my friends buy it or not. I think that is the fairest price, if TWI can sell it at that amount without loosing money.
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They won't dare push it all the way up to $50, it will hurt sales. Sure, KF1 sold like crazy but that was because it was 75% off more times that I can count.
Still, with the long dev cycle and attention to detail and polish and extra costs associated with that, I assume they will price it at something $40-ish.
Still, with the long dev cycle and attention to detail and polish and extra costs associated with that, I assume they will price it at something $40-ish.
Barely any game justifies their $60 price tag these days. Part of being a indie PC game is that you don't have to stick with whatever price point your publisher demands.
KF2 being $40 or more is one of the few things that would make me actively not buy it for 6 months. Not because I can't afford it, but because I won't give in to hype that leads to overpricing.
KF2 being $40 or more is one of the few things that would make me actively not buy it for 6 months. Not because I can't afford it, but because I won't give in to hype that leads to overpricing.
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I don't think I would call a $40 price tag overpriced, though anything above it would indeed be. Because $20 for KF1 is perfect while KF2 is doing everything KF1 did except a hell of a lot better, and the price obviously includes getting those free updates down the road.